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Donna7
Hang in there. We walk by faith.
My hands are bloody (figuratively speaking) as i desperately try to scratch and crawl my way our of this gay narcissist closet.
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First - Cameron, glad to see you found your way to the new forum!! Thank you.
Confused....I'm so sorry you are here. I almost can't believe what I'm reading. You saw a picture with a guy's penis in his mouth and all you're saying is that you want him to talk?? And if he talks, what will that solve? Will you believe him when he says he will stop and that everything will be alright? Talking is the last thing you need from him right now. You need him to take the penis out of his mouth long enough to sign divorce papers is what you need. It's no different than if you found a pic of him having sex with a woman. It's cheating and lying plain and simple.
The more sex the better??? Stop having kids with this man and stop having sex immediately!! All I had for "proof" was some gay porn, dildos, and pictures of his dick everywhere and I still got herpes. And that was before I even found all of that stuff! You shouldn't care that he's bi. You should care that he travels non-stop and has pictures of him performing sex acts! I don't care if it's a man or a woman or a little green alien on the side of the road! It's all the same when it gets to that point.
I got stuck on the labeling too. bi? Gay? no, just liar. I wasted years (as you have) waiting for an admission. But in all honesty, an admission would have changed nothing. The sneaking around and lies would have continued no matter if he would have admitted anything or not. I've been divorced for over three years now and he has yet to admit to even being bi. It's a lie he seems to want to continue to live.
Get yourself out of this situation. Get back into your career. You deserve better than this.
Hi Confused 123,
I am a new member here but have been following posts on Straight Spouse network for about two years now. I joined last week so that I could respond to you and to find solace with others who have experienced similar pain. I've tried to write this post for nearly a week but then I kept deleting it. Finding the right words without anger and personal pain is incredibly difficult when one is also suffering...
Even though I'm not sharing the lengthy posts I have written, know that I too have suffered from a similar realization. I have endured your pain.
It's my nature to research and learn things I don't understand. I am a Registered Nurse now but have had an inquiring mind since childhood. I have found that in trying to write my responsive post to you, I have had to process much of my own turmoil. Putting my thoughts and feelings into words has been a very cathartic experience for me.
My research brought me to a book called The Bisexual Option, second edition. Its written well by a doctor who happens to be bisexual. The first time through the book, I had the belief that this writer was simply trying to establish some normalcy to his own condition. I didn't believe there was any difference between bisexuality and homosexuality. The "bisexual" was simply in a state of denial. To be bisexual is infinately better than being gay, so I thought. I read that book, trying to be open-minded. This was about two years ago. I was trying to gain a balanced understanding of the bi-polar views on this topic.
It's taken a full two years for me to process and accept that the man I still love and have for 30 years is, indeed, bisexual.
I went through all of the tumultuous disbelief, anger, etc that I'm sure you and many others have experienced. But in the end, I had to accept that my husband is the same man that I loved, still love, and have for 30 years. No one knows every facet of another person even when we decide to love them. We love them for everything they are and are not. We learn more about people through ongoing relationships. We take the good with the bad if we truly value them. Marriage is no different. We don't divulge every facet of ourselves to others for a variety of reasons, and others don't either. We are all a package deal. One cannot separate the facets of a person and only take the parts we like while discarding the rest.
The more processing I did, the more I realized that my husband's bisexuality had nothing to do with his relationship with me. It didn't change his love for me either. It pained him greatly to see what I was having to go through. He had been in denial of this truth for most of his life also. He didn't choose to be this way. He never acted on his impulses either during and up to the time of his self-acceptance and his "confession" to me. He had been hurting for so much longer than I had!
Because of the strength of our relationship, I told him to go and find out if this inclination was real or if it was curiosity. I loved him that much. I had hoped that he would re-think it and not follow through. I had hoped that if he did try this, that he would absolutely know that this wasn't for him. Well, he did try it. He does like it. He isn't cheating on me and doesn't have a personal relationship with anyone else, nor does he want that. He only wants sexual satisfaction in a way that I am not able to give. It doesn't change who is. He is my best friend. I have come to realize that his bisexuality is not a deal breaker here. It's a small part of who he is. I don't like it but that doesn't really matter because we aren't supposed to try and mold our friends to fit our vision of who we want them to be. We accept them fully, for who they are and have the courage to welcome changes in our understanding of each other as we move through life. Life is change. I encourage you to reach past your comfort zone and get some unbiased views of bisexuality. Read, study, process, so that you may make an honest assessment of your relationship with your husband. Stop running, turn around and look. See the man you have loved for so long and try and accept his imperfections. I know that he has hid this from you, he cheated on you by not telling you. Its possible that he never disclosed this to you because he believed you wouldn't be able to handle it. Maybe he didn't want to hurt you, or worse yet, lose you. I know that this means he didn't have enough faith or trust in you to be able to handle this. He should have. He was wrong. But, in the big picture, there is forgiveness. Its out in the open now. Yes, you have choices to make but let them be with a clear head, an understanding mind and with the knowledge of the love that has held you two together for so long.
Hi again. I really wanted to post this in a private message to you but this site doesn't allow one to send private messages until they have posted "openly" three times. Undoubtedly, my post will be met with dissatisfaction, anger and even hatred. Thats ok. I've learned to be strong in my own beliefs. I wish you well with whatever choice you make. Please don't through an otherwise living and happy marriage away because of a little thing like bisexuality.
One more time and this makes three! Lol. I really don't like silly rules like having to post three times before sending a PM. It probably stops many from honest expression. What I said was for you and you only. Unfortunately, everyone else has also read it. I'm not ashamed of it. I just mean it was meant for you only. Please feel free to begin a private dialogue with me, if you feel so inclined. I'm finally coming back into the light. For those who need help through this, I'm willing to take your because you're not alone in the darkness.
Jean wrote:
One more time and this makes three! Lol. I really don't like silly rules like having to post three times before sending a PM. It probably stops many from honest expression. What I said was for you and you only. Unfortunately, everyone else has also read it. I'm not ashamed of it. I just mean it was meant for you only. Please feel free to begin a private dialogue with me, if you feel so inclined. I'm finally coming back into the light. For those who need help through this, I'm willing to take your hand because you're not alone in the darkness.
Jean,
I find your perspective very interesting. I'm Trying to decide whether to divorce or stay with my husband of 25 years. I'm Wondering how to communicate privately with you about this topic.
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hi. I am old enough now to see what it looks like down the road. The grandchildren are here, the golden years embarked upon and I can see the emotional suffering of the straight. It's really miserable, they think that because they hung in with their marriage they will be rewarded by feeling good down the line. No, it just gets worse.
there's lots and lots and lots of marriages between bi and straight. Most of the straights don't know in my generation.
The issue that impacts long after the sex stops is a power imbalance. A straight is fully attracted to the person of the opposite sex they have fallen for whereas the bisexual just isn't that into you. You want to be married to the person but they want to compete with you like you are the same sex. I used to say it was like getting henpecked by an industrial strength chicken. I didn't stand a chance. The loss of confidence happened so quickly.
so I wish you all the best and I hope you don't keep fighting the good fight to stay in your marriages but start looking for other people around you to support and care about you. It's a terrible journey out of a marriage and only to face an uncertain future but even tho I was in my 50's when I did it, I am grateful to have left. I slept better from the first day I moved.
Lily - I just want to say how much I was struck by your comment about how you felt your former spouse wanted to compete with you. I had not thought of that being related to the gay thing before; thought it was just unique to my marriage. I have never seen that behavior mentioned before as being part of this whole thing. I used to wonder so often why my husband seemed to want to compete with me all the time, rather than be together with me, join with me, in life. Now I know. Thank you for that thought/comment.
Also just loved the "industrial strength chicken" concept. Produces a great visual. Very funny.
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thanks Lake Breeze. yes I have mentioned the competitive aspect a number of times. The first time I clearly identified it was with a newly married couple. when the first baby came along the husband went into overdrive. competing to be the mother. so now he takes lithium. and they are onto their third child.
He took the baby from her when it was minutes old and brought it out into the waiting room to show us and he wanted to hand her around for all of us to hold. What mother does that? But everyone in the family were believing him as he rang us all, talked to us all about how she wasn't a good mother and he had to do it. Except for me. I stuck up for her and he backed down, the Lithium kicked in but still, the mother was an endangered species until hallelujah the second child arrived and they could have one each.
Still tho, he can't help himself. it doesn't matter that they loved each other, it doesn't matter that he's been honest with her, that he's on drugs or that with three children they need to and do cooperate as parents - he puts her down all the time. And he preys on her weaknesses to do so.
But when it was happening to me I didn't see it, I didn't understand, the last thing I expected from my husband was feminine competition I believed he was loving and supporting me. And then of course the gas lighting. Pretty soon I believed along with everyone else that I was too competitive!
Yes, for some people the competitive instinct seems to be overwhelming and can't stop themselves but I'm not one of them. I know now, I joined a bridge club and I'm one of the friendly ones. It's easy to form a partnership with me.
In bridge there's partner trust. You need to play together and I don't see it as any different in a marriage - when he accused me of being competitive he was lying to me about who I am. That's not playing together, it's a breach of trust.