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I’ve been reading the forum for the past year and never posted because I was not ready to tell my story. With a few tweaks, any of your stories could have been mine. There is definitely a pattern that many of us have experienced. It took my STBX 25 years to come out and that was only because I caught him in a lie. I will tell my full story when I am ready.
Today I went out for drinks with work friends and one of the subjects of discussion was the Netflix show Grace and Frankie and about how it is a good show. I suppose for straight people it could be. I have seen a few episodes and I just can’t relate. My question is about what to say at work when the questions come about my upcoming divorce? I was thinking of a simple “secrets and lies”. Please keep in mind my STBX and I work at the same company.
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Hello NewFly....welcome to the forum, and congratulations for 'coming out' from the sidelines
Grace & Frankie? I watched the whole series on Netflix. I found it materialistically-unrealistic, too fantastic and
financially-comfortable to show the real pain we go through. Good ol' Hollywood huh?
There are a few members here in your situation.....working at the same company as their partner....you'll get some
good advice
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NewFly welcome and sorry that you are here...
My ex and I didn’t work at the same company but our lives were somewhat intertwined at work because several women at work played hockey in the same leagues as my wife( including the wife of an individual that reported to me). I took the ‘less is more’ approach and am glad I did. I said as little as possible about the reason, most people didn’t ask. (I manage a large department, so I didn’t expect my staff to ask, and peers were professional about it). This early in the process I would just say ‘we could no longer make it work’. I don’t know your situation but if you say ‘secrets and lies’ you are starting a ‘whose at fault’ discussion that he will have to manage too and you lose control of your own story. (This is important to maintain , especially if you are dealing with a liar and anything that feels like gaslighting). The truth may ultimately come out later but the less specific you are now, the more control of the narrative you have later. And you don’t owe anyone your story until you are ready to tell it.
I hope this is helpful.
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Thank you a_dads_straight_journey. Your advice is perfect. I have only told my supervisors and they didn’t ask any questions. One asked me if I was happy about the divorce and I am because it means an end to the lie that was my marriage. I only told him yes.
You are so right about controlling the narrative by saying less. I will be telling my co-workers soon.
Have a great day.
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So I'm going to respectfully disagree with you, DSJ, about being vague now allowing you to control the narrative later. Or, at least, I'm going to say, "it depends." It depends on the situation.
I work with my ex. In fact, we once shared a job, until we were each given full time positions of our own, but in the same academic department (we are both tenured professors). Although initially, during the first pink fog high of feminizing--and what a high it was!--my ex was hellbent on "transitioning," he ultimately opted to stay in his closet. I was and remain the ONLY one who ever saw him when he was acting out his feminine fantasy sex life.
When I'd decided I'd had enough and said I wanted a divorce (two years of active wrestling with myself reduced to an introductory clause...oh, how much is ellided), he very much wanted, in order to maintain his comfortable position in the closet, for the story we told everyone, including our adult son, to be "we grew apart." And while I don't trumpet the details to everyone, I do tell a story that I suppose you could say introduces "fault." I prefer to say it provides and explanation. Depending on how close they are to me, people get a more or less detailed version. For colleagues I've worked with for years, but to whom I am not close, I say, "He was keeping a marriage changing secret from me and I couldn't live with it." And that's where I leave it. I don't provide more details than that. I suspect most of them think he was having an affair. For those people, colleagues or not, who are my friends, I tell the truth: "After thirty-two years of marriage he came in one day to tell me he hated his maleness and wanted to become a woman. I don't want to be wife of a transwoman."
Here's why I do that.
For the three years after his trans reveal that I tried to see if we could make a go of it, his decision to stay in the closet meant that I was the only one bearing any consequence for that decision and his choices, both at home, where I was subjected to his feminizing activities and personae (yes, multiple; he had several women inside him, he said) and expected to accept, accommodate and adjust, and also at work, where only I knew that he was projecting a hologram of the concerned male feminist (while wearing women's panties under his trousers and creeping on committees to do with women, like the judiciary committee that handled rape accusations on campus, while basking in the approval of the women who believed him to be an enlightened male). I was living a gaslit existence at work, and the constant pressure was taking its toll.
So it was and is important to me that I not endorse any narrative or act that enabled his continued gaslighting of me and the warping of my life around his closet. Part of the process of healing is remaking one's own narrative, and telling one's own story: that's a precept we accept from all traumatized people, whether as a group (the TRC in South Africa, for example, which I observed in action) or as individuals (the MeToo movement). I lived in a situation in which my very day to day existence was conditioned by a lie. I'm not maintaining it or contributing to it.
NewFly, as you move through the process of healing, separating yourself from your marriage, and detaching emotionally, you many find that your idea about what you will say, and what you're happy with people knowing, changes over time as his influence on your life wanes. During my marriage I was, I realized later, afraid of my ex's anger, and unconsciously acquiesced or preemptively tailored my own actions to fit his needs. So early on, I agreed to tell our son a bowdlerized, compromised version of "the story of our breakup" that was only a partial truth, and I now very much regret that.
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OOHC, I agree it depends.
My main point was simply to go slow ..,one can’t easily backtrack on the messaging, once it’s out there. I too had specific messages for specific people.
Given my rank in my organization I couldn’t afford gossip about ‘ the boss’s divorce’ so I wasn’t specific with most people. I do have three peers at work who are very good friends that knew the whole story early and have kept it confidential.
My children were both preteen when she came out so with neighbors I did say she put a non- starter on the table that was s deal breaker. I’m sure some inferred an affair, and some might have inferred something else including addiction. Most now know the truth 5 years later.
My current wife observed about divorce in general, that every social contract we have gets re-negotiated in some sense post divorce (friendships, colleagues, church members, etc). When TGT is added it’s even more complex so going slow and thoughtful in the early months is prudent.
And I understand the challenges with telling kids (no matter their age). My son learned the truth about his mother early but I could have been more transparent about my dating life when he was younger and he still reminds me of that fact.
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Thank you OOHC and DSJ different perspectives.
I fear that the more departments that find out the less I will able to control the or any narrative. I changed my name because there was no way I wanted to be reminded of my STBX anymore than I have to and I wanted as much separation from him as possible. I had to have the name on my company CC changed and the person processing the change emailed me to ask me if she could ask me a personal question. I was working off site and didn’t respond. I know there was most likely some discussion or gossip before she asked. Ironically, my STBX’s fear of gossip was one of the reasons he wanted to stay in a MOM. He was willing to keep me in his closet. That and lifestyle - he didn’t want to give up our comfortable life. I’m not afraid of the gossip but I don’t want to fuel it myself.
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