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But it is not just porn, it is MEN FUCKING MEN porn. If looking at that is sexually arousing to him, that tells you everything you need to know. It doesn't make him a bad person, just not an appropriate husband for you. His desires for men will grow over time. You have no idea whether or not he will ever cheat ... you are not psychic. But suppose he never cheats but goes secretly to watch porn, chat with men online, and behaves in inappropriate ways towards you (verbally, physically abusive) because he has a lot of suppressed emotions and frustrations. If nothing else, will he ever really be happy? More importantly, will YOU be at peace knowing that this issue could emerge again at any time for the rest of your life. And down the road, you will be more emotionally and financially entangled, plus there may be children. This man is not your only chance at happiness in this life. You can both go forward a bit wiser and self-aware and friends. Marriage is not the only answer between two people who care about each other.
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Dixie's assumptions aren't untrue, in fact she specifically said that no one knows if their partner will cheat. But most often the desires do grow, whether they act on them or not. Deception occurs in many ways and doesn't have to result in cheating. It really boils down to whether CA will be happy living a life always wondering when the next shoe will drop, or if her man is truly happy or satisfied. And for him, whether repressing his true desires will make him unhappy. It's a recipe for a disaster that can be avoided, regardless if cheating is involved. It often becomes an emotionally abusive relationship, despite the parties intent.
In CA's situation, they just married and he revealed a deep secret of his but tried to play it off as though it were minor. They've been together for 4 years but he's been living with this secret far longer and hid it from her the entire time. That shouldn't be how you enter a marriage or a long term relationship. Especially when it's an ongoing secret. He deceived her on a MAJOR issue. How will she learn to be fully comfortable trusting him at face value?
I'm not convinced it works that way, and I foresee her being unhappy and always wondering or digging for the real truth. This is toxic and will drive a person crazy. I know this from experience, and it's truly a toxic way to live. You begin to emotionally abuse yourself, lose your self respect, self esteem and yourself in the end. It makes the whole relationship toxic. And that doesn't take into account what it does to the other person who's not living their authentic life, or if they act on their desires.
Hopeful, I do truly hope your situation works out. I am skeptical, but no one knows your relationship besides you and your wife. But, there's no one on this board who's spouse hasn't either cheated or deceived them for many years. Or who's relationship didn't suffer immensely bc the other spouse's intimate withdrawals. Or a spouse who became so terribly unhappy because their marriage wasn't what it should be so they drove themselves crazy trying to figure out why and often blamed themselves, when it had nothing to do with them personally. None of these outcomes make a healthy relationship and often ruins one or both spouses. That is not okay, no should anyone live that way when they have a choice to leave before more hurt is accumulated.
Cheating is just one issue, and many don't even deal with that. It's the lies, deception, manipulation and self doubt. There's a ton of other results that should be taken into consideration before a choice is made, not just cheating.
I wish you the best, and I'm sorry that this post isn't eloquently written. But I hope you understand what I'm trying to say.
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CA - just give it the 1 year wait time that your state calls for. Take a break, stay away, if he loves you he will wait. If you change your mind at the last minute you can always call the divorce off. But don't interrupt the state waiting period! I think after you get away from the immediate situation and have time to clear your head you'll feel a relief that you got away when you did.
Hopeful - yes, I think you are trying to be a little hopeful about your situation and that's ok, but I have yet to meet one person (both on this board and in my personal experience with friends and neighbors) whose story didn't end up escalating to cheating or sneaking around and trying to find someone to cheat with. Your next question might be: well, did your husband cheat? My first thought would be to say that I never caught him so I don't have hard proof. But then I remember that he gave me herpes, so.....
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Generally speaking, most of us do not want to be divorced, separated or alone, to feel like they just threw in the towel without giving it their all, to feel like they failed, just walked away. This is called good character but sometimes you also have to recognize when you are pushing a huge boulder up-hill or building a dam that keeps needing constant repairs. Sometimes love and compassion is in knowing when to let go.
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That is a really good point Daryl. I know my aggressive position towards encouraging people to leave sooner rather than later might rub some the wrong way. I myself spent TWENTY years trying to work on and save a dead marriage. So it breaks my heart when I sense that other young people might throw away so many years as well. It is noble to try to work it out and I respect hopefulness, but when I read the details of what people are settling for ... I just want to try and save them. We each have to make our own assessments, set our own boundaries, and learn from our own mistakes ... not others. Best wishes to everyone here, even when we disagree.
I tried yo make it work. My situation is the same. It just gets worse. More lies. He says he loves me too. Wants to be with me. He still cheats with men. It has escalated to hook ups. Its harder to leave the longer it goes on. Every time I hope for it to be the last. It never is. I'm living in hope too. I wish there was a way to make it OK. I thought that its just porn, just an attraction. If you love someone you don't act on it. Figured we can all be attracted to others doesn't mean we can't be faithful. Thought I could live with his attraction as he still seemed interested in me, still wanted me. I hope you make the right choice. I dont know if there is a way forward without giving up part of who you are, turning a blind eye to keep your life. Nobody can tell you what the future holds. You have yo do what is right for you. Hugs.
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@lost and sad....Thanks for your post. I guess my situation is a little different because he didn't cheat nor do I think he ever would (I think he is too scared to) - of course it could always happen..there is always that chance but all in all I don't think he would. I do know that he will think of the porn or look at it in the future and that is what makes me so uncomfortable. Like you said, sometimes I feel like we can all be attracted to others. I just don't know...why can't this be simple?! I do agree that if I moved forward with him I would have to give up a part of myself no matter what. Ugh...I'm so exhausted over all of this.
I know its hard. I'm still here in my situation. Mine said he would never cheat. Was so loving. Great sex life. Very happy go lucky. I found at least 7 years worth of emails detailing meet ups with men.
Maybe your guy will never cheat. Mine said he wasn't gay. Couldn't imagine sharing his life with a man. It was just a curiosity. Its true it gets stronger with age.
I can't advise you. Even when it happens it is hard to leave. Let alone leaving due to the prospect of it. However if he admits to having thoughts of gay sex then it may be a tough road ahead.
I'm a romantic. Thought if he loved me enough he wouldn't have to act on it, especially as our sex life was very frequent and good. I just wanted to believe him. I guess for the first 7 years of our marriage I was enough. He could keep it yo just porn. The last 7 years I never guessed he was cheating, let alone with a man. He has always been romantic and living.
I wish you the best no matter what you decide. I wish I had saved myself years of heartache and left when I found the first clue.
I have happy memories but wonder now if they were genuine.
Maybe your situation will be different.
Whatever road you go down won't be easy but I wish you well.
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Hi - I haven't posted in a few weeks. We are in such limbo and it sucks so bad. We have to be out of our apartment October 1st so I have to go pack this weekend and then move all my stuff out next weekend (that is when my family can help me move). I'm sick of being on this roller coaster. One second I feel like I wanna run and the next I'm crying because I miss him. I went over and talked to him last night. He says he can't be gay because he likes women too much - and I do know he likes women, at least it seems like he does. I want to have faith...I want to try to make it work...but then I feel like I"m crazy for wanting to try. I love him and I want our life back. He says the decision is mine to make because he wants to be with me and wants his wife back. The facts I know are that he looked at the gay porn, he liked it, he said before he met me when he was looking online at dating ads for women on Craigslist he also looked at the men section and looked at the pictures but never emailed any of the guys. He said he gets mad at himself for having the thoughts about the gay porn. Could he really like women too or am I just in denial? He has always been so affectionate to me and loving. I feel like I'm not being understanding enough or something. Sorry for the rant, I just have to get this off my chest and writing on here seems to help. I know he can stop looking at the porn I guess, but I would have to accept that he may always have the thoughts. Can this even work? Why is this so hard? We are so cordial and nice to each other even now. There is not really any anger or anything...just sadness that we miss each other. I'm so confused...
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Hi Hopeful - thanks for the response! And yes, we have sat down and talked over and over and I've told him to think on it over and over and every time we talk he says that he does like the porn and gets mad at himself that he does and that he feels like he isn't 100% gay because he likes women too much. I don't know if this is just a classic "Bi" situation or what... but this is what he has been telling me for the past 2 months now..