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January 7, 2019 3:26 am  #11


Re: GIDH, trauma bonding and next steps

I'd second what Stronger says.  I was unhappy for so long because my GIDX had changed the basis of our marriage very early on by leaving our faith unilaterally.  Thus all that had brought us together and some of my aspirations were destroyed very early in the marriage.  Out of what I felt was loyalty, I accepted this as the new basis for the development of our family.  It was hard to lose my dreams about how our family would operate in the world.  But now I know this was all part of his sexuality and the guilt he felt.  He was distancing himself from everything that would hold him accountable for the acting on his SSA.  THAT was a big deal.  And I was very unhappy at that time, unsure about how I should go forward with a spouse that was rejecting the beliefs and culture we had together bonded under.  

I would guess it is very much related.  We are responsible for our own happiness.  A chestnut that is trotted out often, but sometimes that means we have to leave situations and people who don't contribute to that happiness or support our ideas of how to be happy!  

Wishing you luck! 

 

January 7, 2019 9:58 am  #12


Re: GIDH, trauma bonding and next steps

I agree that it is related.  We have been together for about 16 years and married for 9.  During the previous years I saw many things that made me feel uncomfortable like condoms in his car.  My family also tried to warn me because people were telling them things.  I also never appreciated the relationship he had with some friends.  He usually prefer younger male friends with lower status even if I have seen some improvement over time, but he rarely hang out with people his age.

Anyways I was not so nice yesterday.  He wanted to go to church with me but was so late I decided to give up.  I got annoyed but another very little issue to the point that he did not talk to me for the rest of the day.  I ended up going out to have a drink with a friend.  Sometimes it s easier to to get some fresh air but the elephant in the room is so real.

I ended sharing my concerns with my mom who confess that someone told her that a friend s husband was sexually harassed by my GIDH when he used to work with him.  She told me that she choose not to tell me because when she tried to tell me years ago that something was wrong I would not listen.

That s hard to hear but to be honest all the rumors I ever heard about him were related to TGT.  It s hard to decide based on rumors but why people could not have find something else to say.

 

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January 7, 2019 10:40 am  #13


Re: GIDH, trauma bonding and next steps

Yes, yes, yes to the idea that "the gay thing"/"the trans thing" are at the base of the problems in the marriage/relationship, whether or not the straight spouse is in the know.  And how could that not be the case?  If your spouse/partner is dishonest, with him/herself, with you, with the world, and cannot fully enter into the intimacy and partnership required to forge and maintain a healthy marriage bond, there will be tensions and difficulties in the marriage, guaranteed.  It's blameshifting, pure and simple, for them to suggest we "contributed" to the problems in the marriage.  Sure, we did, but the most basic problem--of which we were unaware, and so nothing we did could proceed from the knowledge that would enable us to address any local problem (we could never fix the main one!)-- was the unacknowledged fact of their not being straight.  And it's a certainty that because they were hiding their sexuality they were compartmentalizing, developing a warped personality, and subtly manipulatiing us, which resulted in unhealthy dynamics and patterns in the relationship/marriage.
   Stronger, it's rich, isn't it, that on the one hand your ex wants to proclaim hir superior state and ecstatic happiness, and yet to also blame you for "making" hir cross-dress and become trans.  Just another way to blame you when hir fantasy of a carefree life as woman doesn't translate to reality and ze finds hirself unhappy.  So it must be STRONGERTHAN'S fault--because these freaks always have to be the faultless victims.  (I use these gender free pronouns for transgendered folk, because I refuse to agree, even linguistically, that people can change sex, or that it's ok for men to appropriate woman or elevate a femininity that has done nothing but cause me problems all my life.)
  Lolita17, the "silent treatment" is abusive manipulation, so I hope you don't fall for it and feel the pressure to consider yourself at fault or let yourself be manipulated.  Good step, to leave him on his pouting own and go out with a friend.  

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January 8, 2019 9:25 am  #14


Re: GIDH, trauma bonding and next steps

OutofHisCloset wrote:

   Stronger, it's rich, isn't it, that on the one hand your ex wants to proclaim hir superior state and ecstatic happiness, and yet to also blame you for "making" hir cross-dress and become trans.  Just another way to blame you when hir fantasy of a carefree life as woman doesn't translate to reality and ze finds hirself unhappy.  So it must be STRONGERTHAN'S fault--because these freaks always have to be the faultless victims.  (I use these gender free pronouns for transgendered folk, because I refuse to agree, even linguistically, that people can change sex, or that it's ok for men to appropriate woman or elevate a femininity that has done nothing but cause me problems all my life.)
   

Rich it is, and ze doesn't see how completely illogical it is. This cannot be who ze always was on the inside and also be my fault. My spouse cannot tell me that ze didn't lie and deceive me about who ze was when ze presented hirself to me as a heterosexual male, but then turn around and say ze is now living as hir authentic self. Those are in complete contrast, so both simply cannot be true.

My spouse loves to play the victim, though, and nothing is ever hir fault. To use a Chump Lady term, ze is a noble sausage.

(I have been using the gender free pronouns more as well actually. I have tried to use hir preferred pronouns, but it just doesn't ring true for me, and I can't bring myself to use them/they because, well, I am only talking about 1 person - although at times ze does seem like 2 different people.)
 

 

January 8, 2019 11:40 am  #15


Re: GIDH, trauma bonding and next steps

StrongerThan,
 Yes, "noble sausage" indeed.  I laughed so hard at that column, because it fits my ex to a T.  I've been on the receiving end of his pitying condescension; he's so put upon but so willing to take it because I, poor beknighted neanterthal heterosexual, need the largesse of his enlightened non-binary multiplicity, despite how I've hurt him by leaving the marriage (that he blew up with his announcement he was going to transition to be the woman he was meant to be...although as it turned out there seemed to be several women in there all simultaneously asking to be "brought into being").  
   And yes, the illogic is breath-taking, right down to the grammatical (I also refuse the nonsensical use of plural pronouns for one person).  

 

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