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April 19, 2018 4:25 pm  #1


DESPERATE for help..

I desperately need help. This is a long story and I am doubtful anyone will care to read or give advice... but it would mean the world to me. I am confident my boyfriend is gay and I feel alone and cannot ask friends or family without compromising his anonymity. I do not want to ruin his life or force him to deal with being outed, because as hurt as I am I still care about him immensely. It would be much easier if he wasn’t in such strong denial. He makes it feel impossible to leave him because he swears he loves me and has no attraction to men. So why am I so sure that he is in denial? Please read on...

I have been in a relationship with him for 8 months - the blink of an eye compared to the stories I’ve read of 20+ year marriages with in kids being ended for this reason.. I can’t imagine, and my heart breaks for these women.. I want to escape before it comes to that for me.

Upon meeting him (he is 30, I am in my late 20s) he was very open with me about his travels. His entire family are frequent travellers. Around age 26, after breaking up with his ex girlfriend of 6 years, he began making yearly solo trips to Thailand for months at a time *queue the lady boy remarks*. He is a very unconventional, hippy sort of guy. He works construction (very masculine, doesn’t exude any feminine traits) during the warm months and flees for the the winter. He already had his yearly Thailand trip booked when he met me, but shortened his trip to 2 months instead of 4 because he didn’t want to be away from me for so long. He was eager for me to join him but I could not due to work.

The beginning of our relationship was very passionate. We were immediately enamoured with eachother, fell in love abnormally quickly, and were equally convinced we were to get married and start our forever together. I have never been doted upon so much - he could never get his hands off me, everyone remarked on how much he clearly adored me. Then it went wrong...

About a month into his trip, things began to go awry. He was out partying until 3-4am every night and drunk, and we would argue. It felt like he began to resent me. By the time he came back, it was downhill from there. He was never the same, and although ALWAYS maintained he loved me and had never loved anyone so much, his behaviour was different. I attributed it to post-vacation depression, winter blues, and finally.. I concluded he might have cheated on me and his guilt was the driving force of his almost mentally abusive behaviour.

Finally, I took it upon myself to view his phone. I found excessive amounts of porn, but the most surprising part is that half of it, potentially even most of it, was gay porn. I found through his app history that he had been downloading apps like grindr, growlr, daddy hunt, scruff, and the like since before he met me... and continued doing so throughout our relationship. These downloads happened as frequently as almost every other day, I am not even sure how he found so much time in privacy because we were inseparable. I found he had looked up a gay only hostel and a gay bar within his first week in Thailand. In an emotional rage, I continued to search his emails and found that in the past he had responded to and posted adds for gay personal encounters - it was clear in his posts he was interested in playing the submissive role, by being a bottom or providing oral. There was no evidence that he had ever followed through.

Upon confronting him - he reacted with rage and anger. Accusing me of invading his privacy, trying to ruin his life. Finally, he admitted to what he could not deny, but maintained strongly that he has NO attraction to men emotionally and that it was his deepest darkest most perverted secret that he has been ashamed of for the past few years. He vows he has never acted on these “kinks” or “perversions”, and it was the taboo that made things exciting. He claimed any time he searched these things, he felt remorse and guilt and disgusted with himself. He maintains that he wants a life with a woman, he loves me and is extremely sexually attracted to me, and he never thought of this behaviour as cheating although now he can see that it was, even if he didn’t actually engage in gay sex.

I have told him that whether he is gay or not won’t change the fact that he is a best friend to me and I care for him immensely. That I will not abandon him and judge him, or reveal his secret. I have tried to make him feel comfortable enough to be transparent. The furthest I have ever got with him is him agreeing that he may be “5% bicurious”.

As for our sex life, it started to fade in the last month after this coming to light and has become much more mechanical and much less passionate. He has always been a toker and has since started smoking ridiculous amounts of weed all day, and falling asleep on the couch.

No matte how many times I try to open up the discussion, it gets brushed under the rug and I am made to feel as though I am crazy, or as though I just don’t understand. It’s true- I don’t understand. But I have read about men who spend their entire lives with a woman, loving them even, having healthy sex lives, and then revealing that they are in fact gay. I think I know the answer I am looking for. I more so need to hear someone else say it to me. He is gay and I am being dragged into the closet with him... right?

 

April 19, 2018 5:47 pm  #2


Re: DESPERATE for help..

yes, right.  except now you have escaped.

You have been love-bombed by a closeted gay.  who are often likely to want to be the submissive.  

you are right about that sensation of resentment.  trust your gut instincts.

He is no friend to you.  He knows exactly what he's doing.  Denial doesn't mean don't know it means not telling.

we can sympathise with your hurt feelings here, we know how bad it is.  I did 37 years before finding out so I know a whole level of life-pain you are thankfully spared but my sympathies are with you because it hurts just as bad at any age and you must be ready to have children and he has betrayed, cheated endangered and just wasted some of this precious time for you.

it is a shock.  It is an intense life-shock to discover that someone who you love and trust and who you believed loved you can in fact be so deceitful and careless of your wellbeing.

sorry to say but I guess you should probably go to the doctor for testing.  

find family and friends who can give you a hug to talk to, wishing you all the best, Lily

 

Last edited by lily (April 19, 2018 5:51 pm)

 

April 19, 2018 7:39 pm  #3


Re: DESPERATE for help..

You mentioned he's constantly downloading apps. Makes me think he has accounts on these platforms, browses, maybe makes contact, then deletes the app so no one else knows. Repeat, repeat, repeat. That sounds like a conscious plan to avoid accidentally getting 'outed', especially when you consider his other actions.

Don't be fooled by his 'masculinity'. Being gay isn't always the stereotypical character you see on so many television sit-coms. If he's been hiding his orientation most of his life, that secret is going to be protected at all costs and no amount of being his friend is likely to make him open up about it. You are receiving what many other ladies here have experienced, the denials, rage, the ebb of passion. Now it sounds like you are being gas-lit.

It may be true that he doesn't want to be gay but no amount of pretending with you will change that. I think that might be the best case - a pretend relationship. The worst case - you're the cover story while he shamelessly carries on.

Please look out for yourself. Self-protection is not selfish.

Last edited by Daryl (April 19, 2018 7:40 pm)


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― Joe Strummer
 

April 19, 2018 8:30 pm  #4


Re: DESPERATE for help..

It isn't "probably" that you should get tested but DEFINITELY. No matter what he may tell you everything poinst to him having engaged in high risk sex with multiple partners. You deserve so much more than him and a sexually transmitted disease. Don't worry about him but do care for yourself.

Think of yourself as having been scammed. Would you keep doing business with the scammer?


Try Gardening. It'll keep you grounded.
 

April 21, 2018 9:58 am  #5


Re: DESPERATE for help..

Lilly has summed it up perfectly. Please look after yourself and get tested. And get out of the relationship ASAP.

 

April 23, 2018 11:40 am  #6


Re: DESPERATE for help..

One reason western men go to Thailand for these extended trips is because they can have sex with children.

I would not get in any deeper with this guy.  You're lucky you've found out now.

 

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