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March 28, 2018 2:55 pm  #1


Trying to breathe

Okay, well I guess things got to the boiling point here.  Here's where I stand ... forget about how I got here.

I thought I knew my husband, and I was wrong about that.

I thought my husband was straight, and I was wrong about that.

I never thought he'd cheat on me, and I was wrong about that.

I realized he'd cheated on me by 2006, but under the circumstances it appeared that he would never do it again. I now realize I was wrong about that.

So I can no longer assume that if backed into a corner, my husband will not do something like steal our assets and hide them away.  I wouldn't think it was something he would do ... but look how wrong I've been about everything else.

I am going to see my family over Easter, so I don't have to face my husband for a few more days.  Then, when I get back, I have an appointment with a lawyer.  I know this guy is expensive, but here's my biggest problem: if I were to serve my husband with divorce papers, he would be legally precluded from transferring our assets.  If I tell him I want a legal separation, I have to trust him.  You can see where this is going.  I don't know him well enough, after nearly a quarter century of marriage, to trust him.

Some things I do know, and this is where woman's intuition is an amazing thing.  Because I don't know how I knew this, but I knew that my husband had to be hiding something in the trunk of his car.  I think maybe I started to suspect this in December.  I think I posted this, but just before our daughter came home for Christmas break I discovered a viagra where it had fallen out of my husband's pocket, and that sent me into a tailspin.  I didn't want a confrontation just as our daughter was about to arrive for Christmas, so I didn't say anything.  But it put my woman's intuition on high alert.  So at one point we were trying to organize how the three of us were going to meet up in downtown, and my daughter had made an entirely commonsense suggestion to my husband: instead of him driving his two-seater to work, he should take my car.  She and I would take a cab down, meet up with him, and all three of us would ride home in one car (which we wouldn't be able to do if he'd taken his two-seater to work).

And he flew into an absolute rage.  He said things to her that were unforgivable, and with my newly heightened sense of suspicion I just felt very strongly that he had a secret hiding in his car somewhere and this whole suggestion was making him feel guilty and defensive.

So long story short, today he had to leave his car here and take my car (it's actually a loaner that has to be returned to the dealer).  Leaving me alone in the house with his car, for which he doesn't remember but I have a set of keys.  And I looked, and only got as far as my stomach would allow.  There are a number of plastic bags in there, and I don't want to root around too much because I might leave things looking different and then he'll know I discovered his stuff.  So I only looked in one bag, and only saw the stuff on top.

Lots and lots of condoms.  Something called "Jungle Juice" which my gay friend had to explain to me.  More condoms.  Several enemas, one with a dirty plastic tip.  A dildo.  More condoms.  A card from the Los Angeles LGBT Center.  And forgive me but I don't even want to think about this: rubber sandals, like you'd use in a really dirty locker room.

That's as far as I got.  My friend urged me to go back and get pictures, and as much as I really didn't want to, I did ultimately see the point.  I don't know whether they'd hold up in court, because I just didn't have what it takes to reach down in there and pull this stuff out to get a clear photo, but I have three pictures and if he tries to gaslight me, they were taken on my cellphone so they have date and time stamped in the metadata, as well as GPS coordinates.

My challenge for the next few days: I can't let on that I'm doing this.  I will be spending time with my mother and sister, and my daughter is going to come up from school, and I can't expect my daughter to deal with this and keep it a secret; once I tell her she needs to be able to talk to her father about it.  So I have to wait until I'm protected financially.

So I have to keep a really, really neutral face about all this.

 

March 28, 2018 3:40 pm  #2


Re: Trying to breathe

Ugh that is sickening, it goes to show that most of us are sooooo wrong when we think they haven’t cheated. I’m glad that you’ve found proof though and now you know exac what you’re dealing with. Make copies of those photos, email them to yourself, keep them safe.

Can you confide in your mom or sister? I would divorce the ass off him. What a shit. I’m so sorry.

 

March 28, 2018 3:53 pm  #3


Re: Trying to breathe

You can do this walkbymyself. 

If there is a small "silver lining" to this terrible storm, it's that you don't have to ever wonder if you made the right decision.  You have proof and you know what to do.  Trust that lawyer to lock down the finances properly and to fight for what is fair.  

 


-Formerly "Lostdad" - I now embrace the username "phoenix" because my former life ended in flames, but my new life will be spectacular. 

 
 

March 28, 2018 3:59 pm  #4


Re: Trying to breathe

I won't burden my mother with any of this.  She is in her early 90's and she's already distraught over having to move out of her home and into a facility.  I'm supposed to be cheering her up.

My sister is maybe a better prospect, but again, she's in mourning.  Her eldest daughter (my niece) died last summer after a very long lingering illness and hospitalization.  My sister has been in a tailspin over that.

It will be challenging for me to play it neutral in front of my daughter, but it's one of those things -- I can't let it slip and then burden her with secrecy, just to unburden myself.  When I tell her, it has to be at the point where she has the freedom to respond how she sees fit.  

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March 28, 2018 4:26 pm  #5


Re: Trying to breathe

I’m so sorry walk. And yes, you are in the peak of the storm, but you absolutely will get through this. It’s a punch to the gut like no other. But you are in the drivers seat, use it to your advantage. A peaceful and drama free life is in your future. Hugs.

 

March 28, 2018 4:33 pm  #6


Re: Trying to breathe

JenS wrote:

walkbymyself, 

That was a stomach turning discovery!     

Literally, not figuratively.  I'm still choking back nausea.

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March 28, 2018 5:55 pm  #7


Re: Trying to breathe

I was going to post this on the MOM board but not sure if you'd see it Walkby.....

Acting on your intuition, and finding what you found 
would be 'the tipping point' for me. But I feel it must be like climbing a mountain but finding there's a cliff-face
to scale to get down the other side, and no recognition of the struggle.

SOMETIMES...I wish I could find proof of 'something'.
MOST TIMES...I want to believe he's working on US as much as I am
The stockings have gone, the bag of toys are here no longer. He is home every night & every weekend.
I don't see him watching porn/reading erotica anymore. But mistrust is like the lichen that grew on the decks 
we used to clean & stain. Hard to get rid of, and I have to keep working at it. And believe that he is too.

Reading the stories of husbands & partners who have gone so far into their 'journey' that they leave no doubt 
the marriage/r'ship is doomed.....I'm almost envious that *I* don't have the confirmation that some of you have. 





 

Last edited by Ellexoh (March 30, 2018 2:39 pm)


KIA KAHA                       
 

March 28, 2018 9:32 pm  #8


Re: Trying to breathe

walk  (you're not by yourself..you are just not),

It is a shock..  I remember hacking my GXs stuff and what I read...the blood just drained from my face and I felt light headed.
Your intuiution/bones/gut  ...call it what you will.   You now know not to doubt yourself and follow through
on your plans.. Do what needs to be done..your kids need one sane and moral parent that is looking out for them and not hurting the family.
It makes no difference either in my state ...unless your spouse is an ax murderer a divorce is simply a business thing.   BUT  I took pictures and saved everything because;
1.  I wanted it as evidence that I could produce should things turn really bad.  Of course I would
2.  More so... I wanted it to remind myself that I was not crazy and she was really doing all this horrible stuff despite telling me I was at fault.  To combat the gaslighting which is a horrible feeling when they do that. 

So so sorry.,...  but deep in your bones you felt and knew. and were already taking steps.(kudos to you).. And you also saw how he would hurt you and even your daughter to keep his secret.   You now have all the evidence that so many dont get.. and you observed the clear lying to your face..   Walk forward doing what needs to be done...calm, steady, stoic resolve.    Do not dwell on the why or the hurt now...just do what needs to be done. 

 


"For we walk by faith, not by sight .."  2Corinthians 5:7
 

March 28, 2018 9:46 pm  #9


Re: Trying to breathe

This may sound a bit out of place but...congratulations. You can finally exhale that pent up doubt and thank your God-given gift of intuition that gave you just what you needed to make the move toward freedom.
I'm truly sorry for all the pain you've been going through but I have faith you'll bounce back stronger than ever.  
I agree with the divorce ...Slap his ass across the face with those papers and get the ball rolling. Often legal separations give them a year to hide or manipulate assets and end up costing more in the long run.  It's smart of you to set up the better lawyer cause you know he's going to come back in a fighting rage and try to make you out to be the crazy one. An amicable mediation would be nice but as you already know...mediation is for agreeable parties and I doubt he's going to be in an agreeable state at first when you lay down all the evidence. Then again, maybe you can use that to your advantage.

Keep us posted because you have a huge cheering squad!  You GO Girl!!


Life is like phases of the moon.... We really only see it when it's beautiful, full and in our face. 
 

April 4, 2018 5:43 pm  #10


Re: Trying to breathe

Ellexoh wrote:

I was going to post this on the MOM board but not sure if you'd see it Walkby.....

Acting on your intuition, and finding what you found 
would be 'the tipping point' for me. But I feel it must be like climbing a mountain but finding there's a cliff-face
to scale to get down the other side, and no recognition of the struggle.

SOMETIMES...I wish I could find proof of 'something'.
MOST TIMES...I want to believe he's working on US as much as I am
The stockings have gone, the bag of toys are here no longer. He is home every night & every weekend.
I don't see him watching porn/reading erotica anymore. But mistrust is like the lichen that grew on the decks 
we used to clean & stain. Hard to get rid of, and I have to keep working at it. And believe that he is too.

Reading the stories of husbands & partners who have gone so far into their 'journey' that they leave no doubt 
the marriage/r'ship is doomed.....I'm almost envious that *I* don't have the confirmation that some of you have. 
 

I know exactly what you mean.  Until I saw what I saw, it didn't seam nearly as real to me.  Or, quite honestly, as disgusting.  I think where you are, mentally, is where I was a while ago.  I had to look in that trunk, just because knowing is better than not knowing.

I'm actually terrified of facing the lawyer.  When I was visiting my sister over Easter, I told her what was going on.  In part, I think I did that because she's really bossy, and I didn't want myself to wimp out.  I wanted to force myself to talk to the lawyer.

So I think our financial picture is not so great, and will be even worse if we divorce, and I'm going back and forth about whether I should just tell my husband I need a formalized separation agreement that provides for my financial support.  As I said in my initial post, I can't really trust him or rely on his word, but on the other hand I can tell him he has forfeited his credibility on financial issues and going forward I need to have access to every single account, credit card, whatever, not to withdraw money, but just to make sure he is not spending money on his sexual dalliances.  

There are a few plot twists at the moment: our daughter graduates from college in a month, and she doesn't have a job.  So she's coming back home.  Under the best of circumstances this would create a million tensions around this house, and now is not exactly the best of circumstances.  

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