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Thank you Vicky and Abby for your posts.
I, for one, would not be comfortable being in an open marriage. That would not make me happy at all.
I talked to my husband again last night and we are going to counseling tonight. He says he isn't "Bi" because he has never been with a man...that he is only "Bi-Curious" because he looked at the porn. Excuse my language, but WTF!? I don't think you HAVE to be with a man to be considered Bi...and I don't know why he is beating around the bush with all this. His family is very closed minded (I think) and think that things can just be prayed away. Ugh! last night I texted him and said "Do you think it is fair to be with me (your wife) when you have thoughts of men?" and his response was " No, but I will try my best not to have those thoughts" I mean...really??? I don't know whether or not to be mad or sad or actually I feel bad for him! I feel like he is in DEEP denial about being Bi. It really all boils down to if I can accept having a "Bi" husband and that he may look at the porn from time to time (or there is always the risk he could cheat one day with a man OR woman). It all makes me so uncomfortable and I am SO ANGRY he did not tell me this information before we got married. We had LOTS of open conversations where he could have. Now I have to face the pain and humility of telling all my family and friends 3 months after we said "I DO" that we are getting divorced. I am just so angry and sad and confused. I just want to scream! My heart is breaking into a million pieces. I've been looking online for apartments to live in and crying wondering what my life is going to be like now. The thought of dating again makes me sick to my stomach and I don't even know if I'll be able to trust again. My hopes an dreams are shattered. I wanted a family more than anything in the world. Being a mom was one of my #1 goals in life.
Sorry for the rant...I just had to vent This sucks so bad!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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CA - you said:
"I do trust him for the most part and I do know that he truly desires me which makes things so hard. He has never acted depressed at all - he is always so happy go lucky and giving me affection. I think this is why this situation is so crazy! .........I feel like my head is spinning - it just all doesn't make sense. I also find it interesting that he was never going to tell me about the gay porn because he said it wasn't a "big deal" to him. We have been separated for about a month now and he said he looked at the porn again to see if he truly liked it - and he did. He then responds with "but I love you and will never cheat on you"
What you wrote above is word for word what my GID ex said. Word for word. He was always happy, affectionate, loved sex, I felt it was crazy and like my head was spinning too. In his words, it was "no big deal" so he was never going to tell me except for when/if I found out (then why did he lie about it the first time if it was no big deal). Then he looked at it again "just to see if he truly liked it" (WORD FOR WORD ) and he did. He told me "You should forgive and move on". I did, it bit me in the ass. And from your other posts I've also read that he said: "I'm ashamed". But....unlike the end of your story, I have herpes. That happened early on, right before we got married so I have a feeling there were things going on that I have no clue about. Unfortunately I had a doctor that brushed it off, told me herpes could pop up in people 20 years later so I too brushed it off. Had I had all the facts then about the gay porn and dildos and naked pictures of himself, I would have run. But instead, I actually felt sorry for him and so began the next 10 years of my life.
Also the same: "he tells me he loves me and isn't going to look at the porn anymore". Been there, done that, bought what he was selling. He lied. You said he has never asked you to do anything kinky or to his rear. Neither did mine....until about 8 years in. That must have been when he decided that watching wasn't enough anymore. He seemed like the most sexually normal guy ever. Never asked for much more than normal sex. Then I found his old emails from 8 years before, to an ex girlfriend about how he didn't know if he could marry me because I was too boring for him in bed. Uh, I was just following your lead, jackass. He was a completely different person inside than he portrayed to everyone outside.
Get out now. Please. Tell your family the truth. Don't feel bad for the three month thing. Your family wouldn't want you to waste your youth on this man. Mine was a manly man too. Truck, built things, the whole 9 yards. However, I notice the further he gets into his 50s (he's older than me) the more feminine his face becomes. It's the weirdest thing. He looks more like his sister (closet manly lesbian with a husband and two kids) every day. Turns out his daughter is also a lesbian. Why he won't just admit it and join the rest of his family is beyond me. His parents have always been big supporters of the gay community and I had no idea why. Could it be they knew their own daughter was one? No clue.
Again, please, cut your losses and begin your life again with a fresh start while you're still young. You will spend the rest of your life trying to figure out things there are no answer to. And along the way you might get an STD. It's just not worth it.
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CA - just saw your newest post. at the very end I got the maybe I'm "bi-curious" too. Again, it's an escalation. Can you see it happening right in front of your eyes? I think you almost can. He's giving you little bits at a time just like mine did. You're processing while he's easing you into it. Stop the insanity. The truth will set you free with your parents expectations - tell them.
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Hi Still Wondering,
Thank you for your advice. I can't believe your spouse said the same things as mine! Actually, my family knows about the situation and his parents know parts of it (they know he looked at the gay porn and that I should just forgive him and move on...ugh!). I also have talked to a few of my best friends about what is going on. I was in such a crisis mode I had to! I also moved in with my mom and stepdad about a month ago - which has been hard, but good too. It has given me lots of time to think about things.
May I ask how long you and your ex have been divorced? How are you doing in life now? Are you able to date or trust again? Sometimes I feel like I might as well stay with him because things are just so messed up and who is going to want a divorced woman like me...but mainly I'm afraid I'll never trust again. Especially since I did NOT see this coming. I thought I knew him inside and out! It makes me feel like I"m stupid for not seeing "It."
I got tested and do not have any STDs (thank god!) but I am going to go back in 6 months just to get checked again to be on the safe side.
This is just a nightmare, however I have to say I'm not sure how I found this board but I am SO GLAD I did!
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@Cameron - he is going to be 34 in November. I figured by 34 he would have this figured out...but I guess not. He has been looking at the porn for 8 years and says he has a hard time not thinking about it and totally putting it away out of his mind. He said he is married now so when he thinks about it he will just "squash" it and move on. This honestly makes me angry but also sad. Its like I can feel the denial coming from him. I just don't see how its possible to fully love a woman (me, his wife) and have this other bi-curious side. It just all makes no sense to me and at the end of the day I feel like he was so selfish for marrying me.
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I'd also like to mention a few other things about my spouse here. When we first started dating (about 4 months into the relationship) I found out he liked diaper porn (adult diaper porn) and he liked wearing diapers from time to time himself. I kinda shook this off as a "Well, everyone has their own fetishes" type of thing. I also recently found out that he paid to have sex with strippers and prostitutes about 8-9 years ago. Now on top of this he is looking at gay porn! I mean...my head is spinning and I don't know which way to look...adult diaper porn, sex with strippers, and gay porn! what in the world does this even all mean!?!
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i was unpacking boxes in our new home. we just returned from our honeymoon when i found some magazines. they seemed weird to me. my husband told me that they were men's health magazine but if they bothered me to throw them away. that was 17yrs ago. we were married for 16yrs and have two kids. i tell you this because i wish i reached out to someone and asked. i do have two beautiful children but i spent 16rys with a man who lied and made me feel undesirable. don't waste another minute. walk away. you can't change him; sexuality isn't a choice. it hurts like hell. believe me i know. but walk away as quickly as possible. and stay connected with us.
It is not necessary to figure out why your spouse or partner has same-sex attractions but only to figure out what marriage means to YOU and how much of that you are willing to live without.
This poem came to mind often in my marriage until my husband of 30+ years had a health crisis, his parents died and his gay buddies encouraged him to drop the "bi", dump me and embrace his gayness.
Dream Deferred by Langston HughesWhat happens to a dream deferred?
Does it dry up
Like a raisin in the sun?
Or fester like a sore--
And then run?
Does it stink like rotten meat?
Or crust and sugar over--
like a syrupy sweet?
Maybe it just sags
like a heavy load.
Or does it explode?
His circumstances are not ours but we all have dreams. I am reclaiming mine, better late than never.
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CA - that is excellent that his parents and yours know. Do his parents realize it has been 8 years of looking at it?? Regardless, it's your right to pluck yourself out of this situation. And don't even get me started on diapers??!! What??!! If his parents think you should reconcile based on limited knowledge of their son's weirdness then you need to say something like: well, it's much more than just that but I feel it's his business if he wants to share. And leave it at that!
To answer your questions. I'm almost 44. We have been divorced for around 3 1/2 (almost 4) years. I moved out about a year and a half before that and yet still continued to flounder around and not file. So we've been apart for something like 5 1/2 or 6 years now. Still seems like yesterday. I'm doing fine. I'm not going to lie and say there weren't bumps along the way (which I'll get into in a minute). What happened was that when I found it right after we got married he explained the gay porn away as a pop up and I totally bought it. So....7ish years later I was completely blindsided when I accidentally found it all over our home computer. The years that followed were made up of BS promises and lies. He'd promise he didn't need to look at it and then I'd find it a year later. Meanwhile, the entire year I wasn't looking I found myself totally repulsed at the thought of having sex w/him. Then the next porn incident would happen or a dildo with veins would arrive...on and on and on until I was so grossed out that I had completely fallen out of love with him. I think it's much harder to do what you're having to do and separate from a fairly new relationship. When you don't have the history of ups and downs and everything seems fresh and new it's way easier to get sucked back in, like I did. But at the end of it all I was no longer in love and I was disgusted by the sight of him which had become more and more feminine. By the time I moved out the only thing I really missed was our beautiful home on a hilltop in Texas and all of our neighbors. I went from a home on 2 acres of land to a one bedroom apartment that (stupid me) overlooked our old neighborhood and reminded me every day of what he had taken from me. Originally when we built it, it took both of our salaries to keep it going. But as time went on he was in a position to pay for it based on his salary alone. So...he kept it and I had to move out.
Now for the bumps. Other than being pissed off about losing my home, my major road bump was that I thought I met the love of my life not too long after I moved out. He was also separated and filing for divorce and we met in a group of friends who were all separated and used to do stuff together. Long story short, he was either full of shit the whole time or truly got cold feet but he never got a divorce. He dropped it on me like it was matter of fact, it is what it is, here you go. I had no idea. I mean, I was separated, I was filing, I was truly single and just waiting for paperwork, I figured other people in my position were also 100% sure and just waiting for paperwork. But apparently he was not. I have never been so broken hearted in my life - not even over my GID ex. It took over a month for me to stop crying long enough to do something with friends on a weekend. I cried all through my best friend's 40th bday party, in a stupid limo. I begged to die in my sleep. And then - one morning, it was just done. Over. I recovered. And FYI I've come to find out over the past few years that he's a complete freak! God saved me from that one. So you see, there are usually reasons for everything. You just don't know what they are until later sometimes.
So - Eventually I got on match and met a few really nice guys! I had a great time. I trusted again. There are nice people out there. You have to go into knowing that love is love - you can and may get your heart broken. But it's worth the risk. At least I feel that it is for me. I've done what I need to do in life, I have good friends, I love my job, I bought a little house. so for me there just seems to be that one missing piece. It's not for everyone. Not everyone wants that partner, some people are happy just being alone, and that's fine. But I feel a strong pull towards that. And even at 43 I have to say there are good people out there. Give yourself a while to get over this and then hop on match or eharmony. I feel like it's too hard to meet someone based on chance anymore. You can sort through so many people online based on likes and dislikes, maybe you hate camping so you can rule all of those types out, or maybe you love camping so you can go into it looking for that. I've just found that overall it's been a good experience.
I'm currently dating someone and have been for a while but after getting to know his kids (they are not well behaved, spoiled brats) I'm starting to see that we're just not a good match. So - here we go. It's going to get difficult for a while. I know I have to move on and start all over again. And while it makes me sad, I know it will be ok because at the very least I don't have to worry about gay porn or dildos.
I hope this helps. I'm glad you've already taken the step to move out. That's huge! Stay where you are. You do not owe it to him to try again. You owe it to yourself to start over before he sucks up any more of your life. You say: who would want a divorced woman like me! UH, I'm 43 and have the herp! I figured I'd never have a normal life again. As it turns out, when we get older we become wiser, more experienced, and know what we want in life. Grown men (and women) know that as we get older we come with baggage. I've been amazed at how loving and accepting people have been. There are those out there looking for their true love and bumps in the road like divorces or even STDs will not deter the ones who really love you. You just have to keep trying until you find the right match. You cant get down or hurt because someone doesn't pick you or you weren't right for them. Just like your husband needs to man up and realize you're not the right person for him and let you be.
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CA, I completely understand your feelings. However, the BIGGEST mistake I made was thinking I could figure him out and directing my energy towards that. I also thought I could "fix" him - if I just loved him enough he would see that he has a great life and not need to look at gay porn, or step outside the relationship. This was the WORST thing I could do. As someone on here recently told me, "Whatever he is, he isn't for me."
I could no longer wonder if he was bisexual, gay, etc. I couldn't keep trying to label him.It wasn't my job or my burden to figure him out - that's his problem, that only he can figure out regardless of how much you try to help. All I knew is that the things he did made me uncomfortable and unhappy, and I refused to continue to life a life of hiding/covering up for him. I was tired of bending, and tired of constantly moving my boundaries to accept him, whoever he was. I allowed his coming to terms with his sexuality consume me and our relationship, and it ruined who I was. I lost myself.
Granted, had I read these posts when I first found out, and even when I did begin reading all of these similar stories I wasn't ready to accept the truth. I suspect you think the same. I thought, my situation is different, he's only done this or that, we are unique and can overcome this. I can accept is, and can bend to allow him to do XXX. But in reality, we were not unique and our relationship wasn't different, I just minimized what was truly happening as a coping/defense mechanism to protect my emotional and mental well-being. I desperately wanted to hear stories of other couples who thrived in this situation, and wanted to know ours could too and we'd live happily ever after. That was all just my sick brain trying to protect itself.
You seem to be extremely unhappy now, especially since you are so newly married. How do you think you'll feel after a couple of years obsessing over this? After 10 years, 20 years, so on? You're happiness isn't going to change, but you'll keep bending and forcing yourself to okay with what he's doing. This is going to lead you on a dark emotional path.
Cameron and the others who've spoken about this speak the truth. There's nothing wrong with him. He can't change or control how he feels. You can't change him, EVER. He's hidden this from you and others, and most likely himself. I couldn't imagine hiding who I am from myself, but have seen how painful it is by watching the man I love struggle and continue to try and be someone he's not. His rationalizations for why he looks at gay porn and does the things he does is unimaginably sad, because HE doesn't not accept who HE is. He so desperately wanted to be someone he wasn't he actually fooled himself. I wish I could take his pain away, because no matter how bad he's hurt me I know his actions weren't done to hurt me, but to scratch that itch that he's carried with him his whole life.
Any way you cut it, it's an extremely difficult and sad situation. But you have to do what's best for you. You have to create your own boundaries and truly look at what you can and cannot accept. This isn't about him, it's about you. And you deserve to be happy and have a love that isn't built upon lies and deception - after all, that is what HE did to YOU, lied and deceived you by keeping this hidden from you. Don't think it's going to stop or change, no matter he says. He CANNOT control this, because this is WHO HE IS.
It's going to suck so bad, and it's going to hurt like no other pain you've ever felt. But trust that if you stay it is only going to get worse. He'll either go further than just looking at porn, or you'll be consumed with your own unhappiness, always wondering/searching for "what he is," or he'll be unhappy because he can't truly be all of who he is. It's just a shitty situation and wish no one ever had to deal with this pain.