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February 7, 2017 4:52 pm  #11


Re: Telling my adult children

Kel I appreciate your comments. 30 years of living a lie has made me abhor the idea of continuing to lie. For him, I have no compunction in telling the kids, but I do not want to harm them. I've sacrificed for 26 years (the first time I learned of his betrayal I was 8 months pregnant with our first child), so I can suck it up and take the brunt of the divorce "blame" for them. Fortunately, or unfortunately, they both see his alcoholism and cold, critical attitude toward me as enough of a reason. Still, they are suspicious that there is more to it. I don't want them to think I have been unfaithful or chose to end a 30 year marriage on a whim. So conflicted.

 

February 7, 2017 5:12 pm  #12


Re: Telling my adult children

I also found out after the fact that mine was spinning some wild tales to my oldest prior about me, where he of course was awesome and I was the one with the issue.  I was also married 30+ years and vowed that day no more lies, end of story. Sounds like they can handle it.

 

February 7, 2017 11:58 pm  #13


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I'm listening to everything and reading old posts on this forum and soaking it up. It's such a relief to see my experience and my struggles echoed here. The strength your words convey and even the anger is encouraging.

I am finished with the closet. I very much want to tell our kids. They need to know the truth because not knowing makes them doubt their perception in the same way I have thgrough the years, and I want them to know the truth behind their parents visible lack of affection. However, by telling them, am I not stuffing them into the closet I just escaped from? They aren't going to out their dad to his friends and business associates. Probably not even to their own friends - at least not my 23 year old son. So is that fair to pass on the burden of silence to them? Just so confused here.

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February 8, 2017 10:39 am  #14


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There is another way.  First off, you are a grown-ass adult.  If you to end your marriage because you weren't happy, then you have every right to do so.  The relationship doesn't need a deadly bullet (a.k.a. cheating) in order for you to justify leaving it.  There are millions of marriages out there with no gay factor or heavy cheating involved, and where one or both individuals decide that they're unhappy with their marriage in a way that can't be fixed.  No one is obligated to suffer every day just because it might upset their grown children if they and their spouse are no longer in the same home to visit.

When I left my marriage, I was just sick and tired of no intimacy of any kind (physical or emotional).  I realized that try as I might, I just couldn't go along that way any longer.  I needed more.  And he couldn't or wouldn't give that to me - for whatever reason.  When we told the kids that we were divorcing, they were 7, 9 and 13.  They could sense the tension in the air even thought there weren't very many fights or anything like that.  Just a general coldness, no more I love you's between us, and no physical affection.  We did the whole "Mommy and Daddy just don't get along anymore."  They got it.  It was about 6 months later that I insisted that dh tell the kids that he's gay, or I would.  And that was because he was literally living with his bf, whom the kids visited with every other weekend.  And he just kept telling the kids that it was his friend.  At some point, continuing with that was just lying to the kids all the time.  The kids weren't happy at the reveal that Dad was gay, but they very quickly got over it.  It is what it is.

My daughter and I in particular discuss quite a bit now (she's 13) why and how my marriage ended.  I never reveal anything sex related.  That's uncomfortable for children of any age.  I do say things like, "He just wasn't into me like a man should be with his wife."  or "I never felt beautiful around him - he never told me that, his actions didn't speak that he felt like that, and frankly, he didn't act like I got his motor running."  That's all speak for "we had little to no sex, and it wasn't exciting."  I don't think I'll ever discuss the actual sex portion with the kids - they wouldn't want to hear it, and they don't really need to.  It's enough to know that I felt unloved, rejected and invisible to their father.  They don't want to force their mother to feel that way every day just so they don't need to go through their portion of emotions.  They understand (especially as adults) what that must feel like.  They can relate.

It'd be easy enough for you to tell the kids the truth in a veiled way.  "Dad just wasn't that into me anymore.  I think he found other people attractive, but not me.  And I just couldn't go on that way any longer.  He either couldn't or wouldn't fix it.  I had to choose to get away from a toxic-to-my-soul situation in the end, and I'm not sorry I did."

Kel


You are not required to set yourself on fire to keep other people warm.
 

February 8, 2017 1:46 pm  #15


Re: Telling my adult children

This is a great topic to discuss.  It's one that will get some differing opinions from the members here and spur some nice conversation. 

KellyClark, In the end you will have to make the decision based on what you feel is right for you and what is best for your kids.  There are so many variables that go into this decision and many of them are just intuition or subconscious feelings that you might not even be able to express. 

The important thing is that you've spent time thinking about this and made a good decision.  I think you can stand behind either choice because you will not have taken the decision lightly.  So maybe the way to help you is not necessarily giving you our opinions, but rather, helping you think of different aspects of the choice.   So here are some questions. 
1.)  Would you kids be hurt that you hid the truth from them?  Or would they be hurt that you told them the truth 
2.)  Would your kids learn a good life lesson from knowing the truth?
3.)  Would the truth help or hurt your relationship with them?  Would it help or hurt their relationship with their father?
4.)  Would it be better that they learn the truth now or later?  Who should tell them?  Should they be told or run the risk of finding out in another way at another time?
5.)  Would telling them make your relationship with your spouse much worse and would that impact the kids negatively?
6.)  If you put aside your protectionist instinct and asked them directly if they would want to know.. what do you think they would say?  Do you think they would rather know the truth or rather now know anything?


I gave you my opinion yesterday.. I felt like my kids deserved the truth.  I wanted them to learn at a young age how important honesty is.  Having said that.. and having done it.. I will say that I still don't know for sure if that was the best thing.  I do know that that it made my relationship with my ex much worse and that probably does have some negative impact on my kids right now.  The fact that she cheated on me and left me is 99% of the problem.. but that 1% that I added to the equation is on me. 

There is no clear answer to this.  We all have different opinions and perspectives.  Some of us are very passionate about our opinion and some of us are in the middle on it.  Either way,  you know that we are all trying to offer help in any way we can.  We will all stand behind you no matter what choice you make. 

Best of luck dear. 


-Formerly "Lostdad" - I now embrace the username "phoenix" because my former life ended in flames, but my new life will be spectacular. 

 
 

February 8, 2017 6:45 pm  #16


Re: Telling my adult children

KellyClark, this is a tough decision.  If you feel hiding the truth from your kids is affecting your relationship with them, then certainly do tell them the truth, or at least open the conversation with them by letting them know they can ask you anything or talk to you about anything if they needed clarity on why you are divorcing.  Sometimes just opening the door to let them know they can ask is enough.  Your kids are adults-they are formed and know what they know at this point.    Whether it is "his" or "your" secret to tell--I agree with Kel.  It affects your life and you, so it is part of you.  You are not responsible for covering for him anymore.  On the other hand, if you are being blamed for leaving or breaking up the marriage, it's tough not to want to defend yourself (this happened to me, and I just walked away, knowing that the truth would eventually rear its head and as long as I stayed true to myself it would be ok).  

So as Lostdad says, Would it have a positive or negative impact on your relationship with your kids?  They may already know as you mentioned that he has a cold attitude and an alcohol problem, and that may be enough for them to know why you are leaving--they might not want or need more details.  

The toughest part is wanting to scream from the rooftops when you are free, but wondering if it will harm someone else. 


“Above all, watch with glittering eyes the whole world around you because the greatest secrets are always hidden in the most unlikely of places.”
 

February 9, 2017 11:59 am  #17


Re: Telling my adult children

Kelly,

I felt like you.  When my youngest gave me the novel "US" by David Mitchell last Christmas (which describes a fairly innocuous divorce of two people who grow apart and decide to divorce)  I felt so upset as I read about the sort of gentle way they divided their property and moved out fondly recalling good times that I had to tell them.  As I didn't feel I had really any choice whether or not to divorce.  It was not a mutual decision that gradually we came to agree on.  The damage done to our relationship was done and I was given an impossible choice - stay with someone who has betrayed me on every level or divorce.   

So I told them.  My eldest, 26, didn't want to hear.  Nearly left the room.  They responded with compassion then.  But now they are hearing things from their father....his side....where I behaved badly in his view.  And now I feel my sons seem to see it as nothing to do with his sexuality, as they are accepting of that, but more to do with our upbringing and marrying early etc. which somehow to me has seemed another justification of his lies. And an abdication of true responsibility for his actions and their consequences which was another reason I wanted to tell them, so he did suffer their view of him as not a victim, but a man who made poor choices consistently over a long period of time not to tell the truth.

So my GIDX again is now the reasonable one explaining this all so logically to them.   He takes responsibility for the hurt he has caused - so he says to them... 

So I hope you find a good solution for you, but know that the information is often twisted and can make them angry with you for telling them more than is comfortable for them to hear.  How they react is really an unknown and has its risks.  You know your children.  And you need to feel what is right for YOU.  They are adults and you have a right to say what is true for you.  I have beat myself up about this (as is my want) but while it may damage their view of their father, he has destroyed your family unit...so damage has been done and the causes seem to be relevant for their processing of the situation. IMHO.

Good luck!

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February 9, 2017 9:08 pm  #18


Re: Telling my adult children

Had a blow up with husband tonight. I've been trying to avoid him as much as possible, staying at my mom's, but sometimes we cross paths.

Among the many topics we fought about was about telling the kids. He continues to deny that he is gay despite all the evidence and having admitted it in a previous marital crisis. He said, "Do not push me on this!" So I have decided to wait. I'll take the blame if I must.

My 27 year old daughter and I are going away for a week soon. I thought I might tell her then, but it may be best to just let it go and take care of myself. I have plenty of work to do to get this divorce moving forward.

I can't thank you enough for your support and for your replies. I can't believe how comforting it is to know I am not alone, although I wish none of us had suffered such a fate.

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February 9, 2017 11:14 pm  #19


Re: Telling my adult children

Sitting in our guest room and shaking my head over his assertion tonight that he is not gay. And that I could be fine to question my sanity once again. I feel sometimes like he wants me to think I'm crazy. But maybe he really believes he's not. What I need to remember - I should make a sign - is what my first therapist said. It doesn't matter if he's gay or not. He has not been a faithful and loving husband and I have been unhappy for decades. I need to focus on the divorce and moving on and let him deal with his issue I suppose.

I can't believe how easily I get swept up in his lies.

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February 10, 2017 3:45 pm  #20


Re: Telling my adult children

JkPeace,

I thought I was finished with the head spinning phase, but despite having eveidence, when he starts yelling "I'm not gay!" with such vehemence, I allow that little bit of doubt to creep back in. It amazes me, really. Like, I see black, he says white, and I start to wonder if my eyesight is going. But no, I do not have any doubts that he is gay. Only he seems to, although I suspect it's not doubt as much as it's denial.

The first time I learned of his sexuality "confusion" was four years into our marriage, 26 years ago (eight months pregnant with our first child, so I've had a long time to come to terms with this. That first time was like being hit by a Mack truck; the subsequent events were more like being run over by a golf cart - yep, he's still gay. This last time, it finally was too much. I filed for divorce months ago and endured the bitter anger, the lashing out, the threats, the dire predictions (you'll ruin us!) and for the most part we are beyond that. But every once in awhile, like when he has to give me money, or I remind him not to access pornography on our business computer, he blows up and I get sucked down the sewer pipes again.

This board and all of you have been a godsend. Your experiences with your children, telling others, dealing with the ex, are so helpful, but most of all, the reminder that I am important and it's time to focus on my healing and my future.

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