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January 22, 2025 2:58 am  #31


Re: How is everyone doing?

I have been spiraling. I know more than enough to be sure of what's going on, and it's still going on. She's got yet another of her erotic novels about to release, still deep into occult.. and the whole time I'm struggling with guilt of my own porn use. Since the night the PI confirmed suspicions, I've fallen back on that, I don't know if it's just a fear of being alone, fearing no one else will want me, I just can't move. I pushed back thru the holidays (for the kids), then I've got travel coming up, then kids birthdays back to back... then... who knows, there's always a reason to push back. 
I went down the rabbit hole of narcissism videos on social media, now that the algorithm has noticed, that's all my feeds are now... Half telling me I'm the victim, the other I AM the narcissist... Again, guilt of my own issues. 
in the year and a half since finding out, I lost 35lbs int he first 3 months, then steadily since then I gained back 60+ and just felt horrible. So I joined a gym and got a trainer, Have lost about 12lbs or so since the first of the year, walking as much as I can, it's been in the teens (Fahrenheit) but still getting 3 miles in at a time. 
Talked to another lawyer, sounds like at most, the best I can hope for is 50/50 and MAYBE no alimony. He, and others i've been talking to say it's better to settle for that in mediation, then fight the custody battle after it's finalized, keeping track of her behavior and involvement. 

It's a lot right now. I'm just angry, but not that she's gay, but that she hasn't had the decency to just leave. 

 

January 23, 2025 12:16 pm  #32


Re: How is everyone doing?

I am just finding this website. I have been on this journey with my Autogynephilia husband now for 4 years. We have been struggling on where to go from here as far as our marriage goes. He says he isn't gay and prefers women. He says he is still attracted to me.  I am not sure that is even the root issue.  The root issue is, where do we go from here? Can I stay and still be true to my preferences? He is a kind, compassionate husband. He lives as a man in the world but dresses as a woman for himself whenever he feels the need. He says it is just for him and prefers to keep this part of his life private. Anyway, this journey has been deeply painful and complex. Any wisdom on this journey is appreciated.  Please be kind with your comments.

 

January 23, 2025 5:37 pm  #33


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Imogene: I say this as someone who was married to a closeted trans-identifying man, and who stayed in his closet for eighteen months before I found this site.  (I stayed with him for three years after his declaration that he was "a woman in a man's body.")  I know how difficult and confusing and painful what you're experiencing is, because I also lived it. 

Living in someone else's closet is a recipe for isolation and psychological damage.  Plus it leaves you open to manipulation.  You need to be able to voice your fears and reactions with someone other than your husband: a family member, a good friend you trust, a supportive therapist (who doesn't see their job as "educating" you on why you need to "accept" your spouse).   This site is a good first step.  

 

 

January 24, 2025 7:49 am  #34


Re: How is everyone doing?

Held,
"..I don't know if it's just a fear of being alone, fearing no one else will want me, I just can't move..."

I had all the same fears and tried to maintain status quo for a long time.. (Please go out and see your girlfriend, just go,  I'll watch the kids).     But it got to a point where things were so horrible at home all my fears and unknowns became the better choice..   And Im so glad I got away from such abuse.   

My advise remains..stay as long as you need but slowly plan your exit.. sounds like you're doing all the right things. I could not get out 50/50 but its not like I wanted to take the kids away from her.   And the kids are older now and visit and go where they want..The 50/50 becomes rather mute as they get older (other than them believing in the occult..)..      If your lawyer can get you no alimony he's worth every penny and then some.   I'll be forever paying my GX for the privilege to not be abused by her...most days its priceless but its unjust in this life as I did nothing wrong except love her..

What we do in this life echoes in eternity.



 


"For we walk by faith, not by sight .."  2Corinthians 5:7
 

January 24, 2025 11:22 am  #35


Re: How is everyone doing?

Living in someone else's closet is a recipe for isolation and psychological damage.  Plus, it leaves you open to manipulation.  You need to be able to voice your fears and reactions with someone other than your husband: a family member, a good friend you trust, a supportive therapist (who doesn't see their job as "educating" you on why you need to "accept" your spouse).   This site is a good first step.  

Thank you for your response. I am curious about your journey; you have given me something to consider. Living in his closet has been very complex and challenging.  I am not sure I even know how to unpack the closet I have been living in. I think if I divorce him and he is with another woman who accepts this about him, I will feel like a failure. I already feel like a failure because this has sexually turned me off towards him. Honestly, I have not been myself since all this happened. I am not sure I can do this life without him.  I have been with him for 28 years.  We have had wonderful years together. He just discovered this late in life.  I have been reluctantly going along.  I have no idea how to navigate this place!
 
 

 

January 25, 2025 11:52 am  #36


Re: How is everyone doing?

Imogene:

You can search here for my posts if you want to see them.  (There are a lot of them!)   One thing I have posted in the past is a list of resources for wives of trans-identified males, which might be helpful.  

transwidowsvoices.org has a section of stories from women whose husbands are trans-indentifying.  You might find that helpful as well.  I have two pieces there, under "Alison's Story."  Also, I am part of Vaishnavi Sundar's documentary "Behind the Looking Glass," about transwidows.  (Transwidows are what women whose husbands have transitioned call themselves, because it is as if our husbands have died.) 

Here's a link for that film (cut and paste the url into your browser):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Frffv2sB8zE

There are also extended interviews with women featured in the documentary.  Mine is here: 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1l88a6HIl_w

I also want to address what you say in your post.  There is no reason for you to feel like a failure for not wanting to adapt to the changes your husband has forced on your marriage.  You married a man.  There is no reason you should feel obligated to change horses mid-stream just because your husband has decided he isn't a man.  He is the one who "broke" the marriage by violating, unilaterally, its terms.  If there's a failure here, it's his, toward you and toward the promises he made you when you married.  

I do understand how confusing and devastating this is.  I had been married to my now ex for 32 years when he revealed his belief he was "a woman in a man's body."   What helped me was knowledge (I learned about autogynephilia) and perspective (which you can get by even a brief break from living with your husband--a trip to visit a family member, a weekend in hotel, even by talking to others or listening to other women in your situation (the film, the stories on the website).  

It would also be a good idea for you to start your own thread here, so others will be alerted and can reply to you specifically. 

Feel free to DM me via the Inbox feature, if you like.  

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January 26, 2025 9:25 am  #37


Re: How is everyone doing?

I’ve been away from this forum for some time, and always remember all of you who helped me at the beginning of the end of my 28 year marriage. I am definitely healthier living without lies. I still experience times of great grief because I think any mother wants more than anything to give her children an intact family. And yet the whole experience, once I told my truth to my sons a few years after the trauma, has drawn  me closer to them, all in their 30’s now.

One of our 3 sons got married in September, 2024 which required interaction with my ex. And with the woman he’s been living with for 5 years (he moved in with her maybe 2 years after our divorce after his rigorous dating.) Though I smiled all day for the photos and to be gracious in the couples’ joyous day,  I still feel stress in my body when I’m around him. I also feel stress in my body when I’m around her, probably because I’m an empathic person and it’s hard for me to shake this feeling that I see a train coming and she’s on the tracks and don’t I have any kind of responsibility to be a “Good Samaritan” and help her get out of the way? I know it’s not my place but if my ex had physically abused me there’d be “evidence” she could find maybe but with emotional abuse there’s no record residing anywhere except with me. I think it’s referred to in psychology as creating cognitive dissonance for me. I literally just avoided her after an initial introduction, my first to her face to face. I actually feel sorry for her. He acted ever the charming, aw-shucks, funny and smart Englishman. My family of origin swooned again being in his company. Gag me.  But they don’t know the full story.

After that family wedding experience, I made a decision to dig deeper into the initial trauma I experienced. Our eldest son is getting married in June 2025 and so I’ve set a personal goal to be even more recovered by then. Also,  I want to trust, and love, a man again but it’s proved to be illusive to me in my own dating experience since my divorce. To those ends,  I’ve enrolled in a group therapy session with a therapist who is trained by Dr Omar Minwalla. There’s plenty of information on this site about Dr. Minwalla’s work with intimate partner Deception. When I made the discovery of my-then husband‘s cross-dressing with his desire to be a woman, after he had lied to me for many many years, it was Dr. Minwalla’s work that was the only thing that made me think “he gets it.“  I will report out after. Meantime, to all my sisters and brothers out there, stay in the light! To thine own self be true. It does get better.

 

January 26, 2025 2:21 pm  #38


Re: How is everyone doing?

Toward the Light wrote:

..... I am definitely healthier living without lies. I still experience times of great grief because I think any mother wants more than anything to give her children an intact family. And yet the whole experience, once I told my truth to my sons a few years after the trauma, has drawn me closer to them, all in their 30’s now.......

 

Hi Toward Yes the grief. I think in reality that a straightspouse must learn to live with it and teach grief to only come out when we allow it. My 2 sons are my biggest strengths at the moment. In fact my circumstances mean I have to give up the apartment I'm in and they have welcomed me into the rental they live in. It's across the road from the beach, very basic and 1 son will sleep in his van so I can have his room but I'm so grateful to them both. 

Elle
 


KIA KAHA                       
 

January 26, 2025 3:09 pm  #39


Re: How is everyone doing?

Hi Toward, thank you for such a good post.  I've just read three posts in a row - OOHC to another poster, your post and Elle's here and the strength and the courage, the acknowledgement of grief - it has brought me to tears I needed to feel. 

Elle that is lovely news that you are by the beach living with your sons.

 

 

January 26, 2025 7:30 pm  #40


Re: How is everyone doing?

Elle, There is nothing more healing than being by water—you deserve all the love those “boys” of yours are giving you. You really do.

Lily- it’s so good to be back here —you are never alone in your grief. Write to us about it if that helps.

 

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