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June 26, 2016 5:31 pm  #1


Is he closet gay?

My man of six years hasn't had sex with me for three years ever since we tried for kids. I was sexually rejected whilst I had a very good figure (before the birth of my daughter) & I am still attractive. I put it down to his apprehension of having more children although he seemed keen (has adult kids from previous failed marriages). We then had a daughter through Ivf. He now shows me little affection and when he gets back from work talks about his day whilst cooking and goes straight after into his study to watch tv/be on his computer & seems tonavoid me. He stays up late as if waiting for me to go to bed. I don't know if he's contacting someone or watching porn. We mostly sleep in separate rooms. I find it upsetting sleeping in the same bed as I have dreams that we have sex & I am so glad all is okay again. Unbeknown to him I find it distressing when I wake and feel rejected. He seems to like my not knowing if he is gay, bi or straight (and impotent).  He has flirted with a gay waiter at a cafe we visited several times) in front of me (in a so called innocent way- eg laughed when tickled under the armpit when he was leaning back in his chair).  I know there was no chance of an affair with the waiter through, but it was unsettling. He kissed an openly gay man on the cheek good bye at a party whilst sober (yes I know this isn't much). He sometimes wears white trousers & bright pink trousers and pink & rainbow coloured boxers & likes the idea people won't know which way he bats from his dress sense (again little to go on) When I asked him about his choice of trousers he dismissed it but didn't deny being gay. Said would people think he was gay and wiggled his backside up in the air. He is obsessed with cycling & spends most of his free time cycling with married male friends who don't seem gay (rather than being with the family) and I feel like a financially supported single mum. I think the excessive exercise may be to curb his sexual desire. I don't know what to do. I can cope with the loneliness if having him as a father in my kid's life is best for her rather than living without him, but would like some honesty.  How can I get him to open up? Nothing makes sense My heart is already broken. Holding it all together for my daughter, for financial reasons & clinging on to the vague hope I could be loved once again and feel so sad. Don't know what to make of it all.

 

June 26, 2016 6:59 pm  #2


Re: Is he closet gay?

Have you asked him if he's gay? Has he outright denied it? 

Even if he's not, his ignoring you is not okay. 


"You want a man who messes up your lipstick, not your mascara."
 

June 26, 2016 7:17 pm  #3


Re: Is he closet gay?

Thanks Sue. I have asked him a few times over the years. It's been denied, but in an unconvincing way. Most of the time he avoids answering in very clever ways and I haven't pushed him too hard to answer. To be honest I am scared of the answer and having to break up, have the mess of custody of my daughter, the huge financial worry (I'm unable to work at the moment) the further blow to my low self-esteem and feeling foolish and that our relationship has been built on a lie, the upset. & concern of my elderly parents etc.   I guess for the time being living a lie in his closet is more comfortable, I just want to know whether it is all a lie and a closet.

 

June 26, 2016 9:06 pm  #4


Re: Is he closet gay?

Hi Worried,

I'm sorry you find yourself here.  You're right that these "little" things are just little, but I think that when you look at them all together they add up to something very strange.  I could be wrong but it just sounds "off".  the tickling with the waiter was especially unsettling. 

If he is anything like the rest of our spouses he will deny it no matter how many times you ask him.  Start to get your job prospects and finances in order.  I know you said you can't work right now but hopefully in the future you will be able to.  Even if you never find out if he's gay, the question will eventually become if you deserve to live like this. 

If you want to know what he's doing for sure you will probably have to get on his computer while he's not there.  Unless he deletes his history, that's the best place to start.  I've never met a man yet who could go without sex for three years. 

Again, I'm so sorry you're here. 

 

June 27, 2016 12:17 am  #5


Re: Is he closet gay?

Thanks. Yes I regularly check the computer history incase he forgets to wipe something interesting. He's wise to that and there is never anything only cycling and clothes shopping sites and sporrts. He does have a secretive side with a squeaky clean exterior. Yes you're right something does seem off and it's been helpful to hear that.

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June 27, 2016 9:41 am  #6


Re: Is he closet gay?

"..Yes I regularly check the computer history.."

As I checked things I asked myself WTF am I doing?  Why do I have to do this?     This is no way to live.    Its not right.  

Start taking small steps for yourself.   Gather discreetly the tax returns,  all your accounts,  bills, budget.
Do not feel ashamed or bad doing it.   If they can sneak around on us without guilt or remorse we should not feel bad taking care of ourselves and kids..  they will not. 

Sorry your here but keep your head together and be kind to yourself.


 


"For we walk by faith, not by sight .."  2Corinthians 5:7
 

June 27, 2016 10:23 am  #7


Re: Is he closet gay?

You're exactly right, Rob.  It was only when I realized that I don't want to live my life checking computer history to make sure he wasn't watching gay porn that I was able to take the first step towards moving away and moving on.  No one should have to do that.  I think I had the same thought as you one day while I was sitting there looking for lies.  "WTF am I doing?" ran across my mind.  It was a sad realization, but true.

 

June 27, 2016 10:53 am  #8


Re: Is he closet gay?

I'm sorry that you're in the position you're in, Sorry.  But you're NOT crazy, and you're not wrong.

First off, I don't know of a single, solitary straight man who is okay with potentially conveying any message to the world about his sexuality except that he's straight.  He may be fine with the gay thing and even have openly gay friends, but will want people to know that HE's straight.  Would would the advantage to confusing people even be?  I mean, can you think of a reason that would make you say "I think people will be confused about my sexuality, and that's so cool!"  Ummm, no.  We have tons of gay men who WANT to hide that they're gay.  We do not have straight men that want to hide that they're straight.  It just doesn't work that way.  Seriously.

Coming home and being on his own all evening is not okay.  You worry about your child, and how staying may be better.  Well, not from an emotional perspective, if that's how her father is acting.  To be ignored when someone's present is worse than being alone.  You're not doing your daughter any favors by letting her grow up in that environment.  A daughter's self esteem can be largely affected by her father's love and attention.  She will form what to expect from a man someday by watching your marriage.  Is that what you want her to expect?  That she should be fine with a marriage where she's essentially a single person emotionally, so long as she's financially supported?  Are you fine with teaching her by example that she should let finances paralyze her so that she's okay with remaining emotionally devoid of happiness so long as she doesn't rock the boat?  Is that what you are comfortable teaching her about her own power and choices and courage?

Your husband is not spending time with other cycling in order to curb his sexual desire.  WHAT sexual desire?  If he had any for you, he'd use YOU to help that urge.  It's what men do.  If my husband is all flustered and frustrated, he's come at ME with that - HELP take care of me, woman!  Make me feel better.  Touch me - soothe me.  Help me to relax.  He doesn't even know he's showing me the signs sometimes.  I just pick up on it.  He seems frustrated.  I think he's a bit pent up.  I'll need to take care of him tonight and get him back to center again.  Sounds rudimentary, I'm sure.  And you know what?  IT.IS.  It's not complicated.  And it shouldn't be.  If your husband is sexually pent up, he's not going to go out cycling to take care of it.  He's going to find a "release" for it.  That release may just be that he really likes to look at other men's bodies - even if he can't have them.  Hell, men do that all the time.  Consider the swimsuit edition of Sports Illustrated - men buy it because they like to look at women.  NOT because they're going to have THOSE women.  They are just visual.  Your hubby may or may not be meeting with someone when he goes riding - you don't know.  Don't think you know the truth, either - there are SO many ways to cheat, if you truly want to.

The bottom line is that you're not happy.  It doesn't really matter if the truth is that he's not gay.  You're still left with someone who shows you that you and your daughter aren't important enough to spend his free time with.  You're not important enough to give the straight truth to (which is what he'd do if he were straight and you asked him if he was gay - he'd TELL you that he's straight - because that's integral to your relationship with him, which is SUPPOSED to be important to him).  He either can't bear to tell you the truth, or he doesn't think you deserve to know it.  Either way, you have an issue.  You have an issue because you are alone in your marriage and in parenthood.  I don't care if it's because he's fascinated with seamonkeys and spends all his time looking at THEM.  The problem is how he's acting toward you - which sounds like it's no fun.

You deserve more.  And if you don't take what you deserve, no one's going to give it to you.  Show your daughter what you're supposed to do when you're unloved and unwanted in a relationship - you don't hang around for more under the guise that you're doing the right thing.  If you're drowning, fight your way to the surface with everything you've got.  It's the only place where the air is.

Best to you -

Kel


You are not required to set yourself on fire to keep other people warm.
 

June 27, 2016 3:46 pm  #9


Re: Is he closet gay?

Thank you all so much for your advice and support. I spoke to him and brought up the subject again in a way he could open up. He said he's straight and added if he were gay he would probably know it by now. The idea terrifies him. He also mentioned being too old. I think he may be in the closet and not practising. Anyway, good points made about the lack of attention etc He said I should sleep back in his bed. Now I realise I don't really want sex with him anymore. I find the idea he may be bonking another man or woman a turn off. Not a happy situation.  I'll start working on strengthening myself. Cheers

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June 27, 2016 5:51 pm  #10


Re: Is he closet gay?

His immediate invitation to join him back in his room seems suspect to me after no sexual contact for three years.  Good luck with whatever you decide to do.  Keep us posted and check back in whenever you need help. 

SW

 

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