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February 25, 2021 7:45 am  #1


LGBT Identification

This was on my internet news feed this morning:
LGBT IN AMERICA
About 5.6 percent of American adults identify as LGBT, according to new polling from Gallup, a rise of more than one percentage point since the last time the survey was conducted in 2017. A majority of those people identify as bisexual, with a quarter saying they are gay and about 11-12 percent saying they are lesbian or transgender. The generational breakdown is eye-opening: while just 2 percent of Baby Boomers identify as LGBT, that jumps to 16 percent for Gen Z. 

 

February 25, 2021 11:21 am  #2


Re: LGBT Identification

Thanks for the stats. That’s quite a jump & not surprising, either.

 

February 25, 2021 2:15 pm  #3


Re: LGBT Identification

Here's a link to the direct Gallup poll data.

Generation Z (born 1997-2002) 15.9%
Millennials (born 1981-1996) 9.1%
Generation X (born 1965-1980) 3.8%
Baby boomers (born 1946-1964) 2.0%
Traditionalists (born before 1946) 1.3%


16% for Gen Z seems massive. That's more than all other age groups combined.

I'd always wondered why so many cases here at SSN were men hiding their sexuality, factoring that lesbian late bloomers were less likely. In the data, lesbians are actually 50% to 75% less common than gay men. Statistically, it aligns to the case volume we see here.

Another recent Gallup poll has a fascinating look at the relationship status of those who identify as LBGT

U.S. Adults' and LGBT Adults' Marital Status

Married to opposite-sex spouse – 11.4% identify as LBGT
Married to same-sex spouse – 9.6% identify as LBGT
Living with opposite-sex domestic partner – 9.2% identify as LBGT
Living with same-sex domestic partner – 7.1% identify as LBGT

11.4% of all marriages between a man and a woman have one partner who identifies as gay/lesbian/bi/trans. While Gallup led with 'One in 10 LGBT Americans Married to Same-Sex Spouse', the real story here is that there are way more LBGT folks in opposite-sex marriages than in same-sex.

Factoring out bisexuality and trans identifying people, 0.3% of spouses who identify as gay or lesbian only are married to someone of the opposite sex. If you extrapolate that to all of America, that is 900,000 people living this way. To put this into context, less than 2,000,000 cases of cancer will occur in the next year in the US, with 600,000 dying. That means being married to a gay/lesbian spouse is 150% more likely than dying from cancer. While many could be open MOMs, that seems unlikely to cover all.

Non-married opposite sex domestic partners is much higher at 1.6%, for 4,800,000 people. All of these stats ignore the other elephant in the room: a large chunk aren't answering, which likely increases the odds of them being in this audience. Maybe they are questioning or unsure.

"Currently, 86.7% of Americans say they are heterosexual or straight, and 7.6% do not answer the question about their sexual orientation."

And this assumes people are answering truthfully, as someone might not consider an affair with a same-sex partner as changing their sexual status.

One final thought: divorce rates have been going down the past decade, reducing by a quarter, while marriage rates have also been decreasing. So we now have a 100% increase of LBGT identifying individuals, with a 25% drop in divorce. The data above starts to make sense. Most spouses know they are LBGT and are staying in a pre-existing relationship.

It's staggering how common being in a heterosexual relationship with a LBGT spouse is.

Last edited by Upside (February 25, 2021 2:56 pm)

 

February 25, 2021 4:01 pm  #4


Re: LGBT Identification

It seems like it’s exceptionally popular for young girls, and I’m talking as young as elementary school age, to now say that they are bi... they are perceived as closed minded and bigoted if they dare say they are heterosexual. I have known many girls who said they were bi into their 20s and none of them have had any romantic/sexual interaction with a woman, but they all seem obliged to claim they’re bisexual and biromantic. I know a family with four daughters and every single one of them claims they are bi.... doesn’t at all seem to be reality. Now this isn’t the case for the guys. The guys don’t go running around saying there bi. That would be far more frowned upon still.

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February 25, 2021 4:20 pm  #5


Re: LGBT Identification

As a recently retired college professor with friends still in the professoriate, I can say that my experience and that of my colleagues supports what Tangled Oil has said: for young women, especially, identifying oneself as "queer" or "bi" is a way to signal one's woke credentials and to identify out of the pressures of an increasingly pornified femininity and its cousin "sex-positive" (so-called) feminism.  Many of these young women have never had a same-sex encounter.  Lisa Littman's study on ROGD (rapid-onset gender dysphoria) found that a "socially contagious" element to many teens girls' identification as transgender boys, powered by social media and friend groups.  These are girls who have never shown the slightest discomfort with their female bodies or with feminine pursuits.  

Given what I've seen, what others I know have seen, what the studies show--especially the massive uptick in young women declaring themselves trans and seeking to begin taking cross-sex hormones (androgens)--I take these figures with a mountain of salt.

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February 25, 2021 5:21 pm  #6


Re: LGBT Identification

OOHC... so perfectly stated.  The number of trans FTM I see at my child’s middle school in ridiculous. It’s absolutely pushed by the media to an insane extent. All the 7th grade girls I know talk about how they’ll eventually marry a man or woman... if they say anything different they’re chastised by their peers. It’s sickening.

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February 25, 2021 5:37 pm  #7


Re: LGBT Identification

So if one is gay they marry the same sex..  if one is bi they marry who..a man or a women?  Or they just don't marry and can switch at any time?

As a straight I would always feel like I'm not enough if married to a bi or gay person...  oh wait that happened already.


"For we walk by faith, not by sight .."  2Corinthians 5:7
 

February 25, 2021 6:10 pm  #8


Re: LGBT Identification

I think this whole push will cause problems yet again... It’s seen as being a solution, but there will be straight people identifying as something other than straight ending up in homosexual marriages no doubt. Just wait.

 

February 26, 2021 8:42 am  #9


Re: LGBT Identification

I was told by a man about 20 years ago that if a girl is under 25, she thinks that she is bi sexual. To be very honest, I have trouble understanding bi sexuals. I think that you are either straight or gay or lesbian. I sometimes think a person who says that they are bi are really gay or lesbian. 

 

February 26, 2021 11:37 am  #10


Re: LGBT Identification

The largest group in the LGBTQ+ community is bisexual. I have heard quite a few bisexual people say they think (or thought at one point in time) that everyone is at least somewhat bisexual because they can only see it from their perspective just like some monosexuals (straight and homosexuals) can only see sexuality from their perspective (as being mono). I recently had a conversation with a bisexual man is his 60s and he still has a hard time wrapping his head around monosexuality even though he’s older and has recognized his bisexuality for nearly 50 years.

Last edited by TangledOil (February 26, 2021 11:44 am)

 

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