Support » What about me » February 15, 2023 3:18 pm |
Cookie,
You aren’t the bad guy. There doesn’t have to be a bad guy and you don’t have to participate in that kind of discussion. There are facts. He wants things that you aren’t okay with, that you didn’t agree to (even if you did you could change your mind), and that means your relationship can’t work. Blame doesn’t even need to be assigned. But how cruel and self-centered to try to make you feel guilty about this. You have done something that’s incredibly brave, standing up for yourself while also supporting him as much as you could. He should be grateful. Maybe one day. Don’t wait around for it though.
I don’t think anyone can go through what he’s going through without a lot of emotional disturbance. He’s thinking like an adolescent right now. He wants what he wants and doesn’t care what it does to you, and won’t take responsibility for the results of his choices.
I hope you can get through it without much damage to yourself. Make sure you’re taking care of yourself!! You’re the only one who can, and that also provides him the opportunity to deal with himself instead of having your help.
Support » How to accept this new life? » February 12, 2023 3:09 pm |
You love him and want him to be happy. That’s the way it should be. Also, you deserve to be loved and happy. One of the hard parts in situations like these is that our needs are opposed. He can’t be happy unless he transitions in some way (I assume). You can’t be happy married to a trans woman. Both of those things are valid.
You can’t sacrifice yourselves for the other like that. It’s doesn’t work. That isn’t love. It would be motivated by love but there’s a difference.
General Discussion » Anybody have a positive relationship with their ex-spouse? » February 11, 2023 5:19 pm |
I’m trying to. That has been my hope the entire time. My lesbian wife came out to me as not straight almost 2 years ago. I know it’s taken her a lot of time to figure herself out and her understanding of herself evolves but there have been a number of things she’s said that are contradictory. Besides that, she acts as if anything that has to do with her sexuality is hers alone. She verbally expresses empathy sometimes but rarely, RARELY, treats me with compassion.
We’re now separating. I’m losing everything I care about, including her. I thought we were best friends but it seems I was easy to replace with new friends (gay men, before people say anything). The only thing that will affect whether we remain friends is how she treats me. It isn’t looking good and that is what I’m struggling with so badly. I could have been sad but okay about losing her as a partner because of her sexuality. Completely losing her is ripping my heart out.
Support » What about me » February 10, 2023 10:31 pm |
Telling others about what you're going through and feeling when you're suffering like this is not complaining. You deserve to be supported. You never have to apologize for expressing yourself here. The confusion, anger, panic, sadness, betrayal, grief, resentment and frustration are all familiar here.
"I can't believe you'd let something as trivial as my genitals stop you from loving me."
I could have said that to my lesbian wife because I haven't changed- I'm what she knew she was getting from the start. Your husband knew what he was getting with you too. Would he feel the same if you transitioned? Or made some other change to yourself that completely altered who you appeared to be or how you acted? And even if he would (which I think is doubtful but likely unknowable), that doesn't invalidate how you feel or respond to him in this. I think what our spouses/ex-spouses aren't understanding is that we picked them, loved them, accepted them, desired them for who they showed themselves to be. We trusted that we were both going into the relationship honestly and vulnerably as our true selves. Sure people get older, maybe gain weight, pick up some bad or annoying habits, even change some significant beliefs, etc. Maybe there are health issues that completely alter how your relationship works. That's not the same kind of change as altering your gender or sexuality. If the change isn't that big a deal, why are they doing it? If they're the same person as before, why are the changes happening? With the change, they're completely altering our relationship and lives because now we're tied to them and this incredibly confusing complication, deception and loss. It's frustrating because they appeal to our empathy while giving us little to none.
I'm sorry you belong here, it's not a club membership anyone wants, but at least you'll be supported, understood and cared for here.
Support » Separating » February 9, 2023 9:48 am |
Blackie563 wrote:
HereIn - I'm sorry my friend. I can feel the pain in your words. I know them all too well. My house goes up for sale this weekend and once sold and new house purchased, for the first time, I will only see my kids every other week. I know the fear you have, I share it. I don't have a good answer for that. What I can share is what I have been doing. I spend all of the time I can reassuring my 3 kids, that they can call me anytime, I love them more than life itself and nothing in the world they could ever do will change that. It doesnt make me feel better about it, but I do feel that they get comfort from it. Perhaps thats the best we can hope for without the benefit of more time. I don't know.
Hang in there. Inch by inch. I can make it, I know you can too, brother. I'm so sorry you are having to endure this awful, horrible pain.
Thanks Blackie. This whole thing... it's one loss after another. It's hard to accept that I'm going through this because I loved someone and this is where it's gotten me. You're right. One day at a time, we'll get through it. I'll do what's best for my kids. It'll work out somehow. I appreciate you.
Support » Pansexual and Demisexual Marriage » February 9, 2023 9:28 am |
OutofHisCloset wrote:
Mpls:
I was a college professor during the rise of the alphabet soup of the + that now appears after "LGBTQ" and the proliferation of ways to say common sensical ideas like "wants a monogamous relationship with an emotional connection" was almost funny. And yes, I'd say the poster is in "oldspeak" a heterosexual woman who wants a monogamous relationship, one that fosters emotional connection and intimacy. And in "newspeak" she still wants that.
I don't know if that's the case and I'm not a fan of telling people the way they define themselves is incorrect, or that their experience of themselves isn't real. Guess what landed me in my situation? My wife being told that no one is born gay, that it can't be your part of your identity. If someone tells me their preferences or way of being in the world sound significantly different than what others describe, I'm going to accept that. I have no right, knowledge or authority to do otherwise.
If being demi- sounds correct to the poster, and she's determined that her experience sounds different than others' experiences that are described as monogamous, I trust her to understand herself better than I do.
Is He/She Gay » A gay ex-husband answers your questions » February 9, 2023 9:11 am |
Rose,
Thank you so much for your kind words. I'm so sorry you're going through this too. I'm trying to figure out how to do exactly what you said. I'm maintaining who I am, but I'm also trying to find the balance of that and taking care of myself. I'm naturally self-sacrificing for those I love (Enneagram 2, if you're familiar). Losing my family as it has been is the hardest thing to go through, followed closely by losing the woman I've loved. Both are happening either way. I don't naturally prioritize myself so this is a learning experience. You're exactly right- move forward as soon as possible and get through the inevitable pain and grief. Get past survival mode. I'm suspending my hope for friendship with her until I can heal. I wish she would have supported me better through this but I can accept that she can't.
I'm reading The Subtle Art of Not Giving a F*ck and the chapter on responsibility vs. blame is helping a lot. I'm not to blame for this situation, but I'm responsible for my response and what I do with it. I'm responsible for my own healing. It's been a good reminder.
Support » Separating » February 8, 2023 7:42 pm |
This isn't a post about my spouse. We have to move forward and it's an awful process. I hate this.
We met with a therapist today on zoom (my LW was 6 hours away) who specializes in helping couples like us through whatever we're deciding to do. We talked about separating and how to accomplish that with as little disruption for our kids as possible, while being fair to both of us too.
The therapist asked about our current living situation and my wife said everyone has a bedroom while our two youngest kids share a room. I must have looked a certain way because the therapist asked if there was something I wanted to say. I stammered a bit, then said that actually, everyone has a bedroom but me. That I'm sleeping on the couch until we figure out our living situation. She said it sounds like I feel pushed out. I said I don't blame my wife for her sexuality but I feel like I'm losing everything and I didn't do anything to cause it. The video froze and we moved onto something else, so I don't know if either of them heard that, but it felt nice to be acknowledged.
So now I'm looking for an apartment. I don't know how to do this and not lose so much with my kids.
Support » Pansexual and Demisexual Marriage » February 8, 2023 2:43 pm |
For a time I thought I might be demi based on those same personal limitations you mentioned and did the same exploration. Although I was always interested in someone as a kid. I understand it to mean, in a round-about way, that you're attracted to the emotional connection instead of the person. That's probably not entirely accurate but it made sense to me. I'm definitely not demi. Wanting an emotional connection before you sleep with someone is an internal boundary. If you've never found someone appealing in any way until you had a strong emotional connection to them, I think you'd qualify as demi.
I think you qualify as straight if you are heterosexual. That's the definition most of us work with, not how much you want to have sex or under what conditions you are attracted to someone. I wonder what will become of our over-labeled society? It can be exhausting how complicated everything sounds but it's also good information to have.
Is He/She Gay » Is my husband secretly gay? » February 8, 2023 1:05 pm |
Hi Sad,
I'm so sorry you've endured that treatment. Most of us go through a period of time where we consider how to become what our spouse wants because it feels like there's something wrong with us when we love our spouse and want to share ourselves with them, but they reject us and say that want something different. Ultimately that's what you've experienced. Your husband has been with you and is now saying he wants something different. It doesn't matter if your husband is gay, bi, trans, or something else. What matters is how he's treating you in your relationship.
I don't believe a person can truly love someone while simultaneously rejecting them, especially because of their parts. I know that sounds harsh, but loving someone (in a marital type of relationship) means you keep choosing them. Rejection in marriage might be the most destructive thing you can experience in a relationship, even more destructive than being rejected by parents, siblings, other family or friends. We expect to be our full selves in marriage so rejection becomes incredibly personal. Love can't be one-sided. If he's treating you like this, he's focused on himself and you aren't the priority you should be.
You've put up some healthy boundaries. That's amazing! Have you had a direct conversation with him about missing your connection and how his preferences are making you feel? Even if it's uncomfortable, the conversation has to be extremely clear with no room for confusion or misinterpretation. If you do that and he's indifferent or doesn't DO something to change things (words are great but actions are what really matter), that tells you a lot about where this is going.