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Is He/She Gay » A gay ex-husband answers your questions » June 6, 2022 7:35 am

Sean
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If anyone wants to see just how practiced, charming, and disarming a closeted husband can be when confronted about his sexuality, look no further than reality TV personality Todd Chrisley. This interview from 2016 is a master class in how to obfuscate about your homosexuality: 

https://youtu.be/isVwUJxTJYQ

Todd certainly sets off my gaydar and 100% of the gay men I've asked also say, "Gay!" So what are the classic signs a husband is gay-in-denial? Here is a brief checklist: 

1. Bullied in school for being "gay."
2. Discloses a "same sex attraction" or high school boyfriend but claims "that's all over now." 
3. Little to no interest in sex with his wife nor any other women.
4. Attaches a lot of conditions to sex with his wife (lights off, only certain positions, you have to shower, no kissing etc). 
5. Acts very straight and sexual when performing for others but once "off-stage" little to no signs of affection towards his wife. 
5. Exclusively gay porn, chat history, or a history of cheating with men. 
6. If he is preparing to cheat or is actively cheating with men, the telltale signs are: sudden weight loss + obsessive interest in physical fitness and a new look (glasses, clothes, underwear, haircut). 
7. He'll use but also hide things like condoms, Viagra, and sex toys from his wife. And why? Because he's using them to cheat, while at the same time giving his wife a multitude of excuses not to have sex with her.  

With regards to cheating with men, the closeted husband who cheats will typically stop having sex with his wife, for several reasons: first, he's afraid of giving her an STD/STI; second, he can't ask to use condoms without arousing her suspicions; and third, once he's had sex with a man he's incapable of having sex with his wife. 

If anyone has questions for a gay ex-husband, feel free to post below. Be well! 

Is He/She Gay » A gay ex-husband answers your questions » May 29, 2022 3:27 pm

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Thank you for writing Crystal. In reply: 

1. Sean this is interesting that a lot [of closeted gay husbands] follow this script of molestation [made him gay].

Many cite the statistic that 1 in 6 males (or 16.7%) are sexually abused before the age of 18. If this statistic is correct, then approximately 83.4% of males are not victims of sexual abuse. Strangely, 100% of the closeted husbands described here claim childhood abuse as the cause of cheating with men and/or watching gay porn. I maintain there are two possibilities: 

Option 1: He's telling the truth about childhood sexual abuse. 
Option 2: He's lying about childhood sexual abuse. 
 
As I shared in two recent podcasts with "Our Path", I urge straight spouses to remain calm when their husbands claim a history of sexual abuse. And by "calm" I mean: remaining cautiously objective about his claims of childhood abuse as it could be a distraction, particularly if she recently brought up separation/divorce; allowing her husband to find a qualified therapist (not a couples' therapist) to do the work to heal from such trauma; and continuing to make herself and her happiness a priority.  So what's my point? Whether real or fabricated, a closeted husband's claims of childhood sexual abuse should not distract nor delay dealing with the main issues they face, namely: his total lack of interest in sex with his wife, often from the beginning of the relationship; cheating with men...often for years; and his inability to be honest with his wife about these issues. Put bluntly, it's a bit of a stretch to think that once he has healed from these abuse issues, he'll suddenly and miraculously transform into a heterosexual, horny prince charming. The reality is a bit more grainy: he's vague about the abuse probably because he's lying or exaggerating; refuses to attend individual therapy; insists on couples' therapy then, yet again, puts the onus on his long-suffering wife to fix him; and continues with

Is He/She Gay » A gay ex-husband answers your questions » May 25, 2022 3:38 am

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Thank you for writing Meredith. In reply: 

1. I started listening to the “Narcissist in Recovery” podcast - thank you for that resource! And thank you for your response. I know you’re a stranger and we’ll probably never meet, but a perspective from someone else that might have gone through the same thing is so incredibly helpful, even if you were the one in the wrong.

Happy to help in some way, although I'm still very sorry he's putting you through all of this. 

2. The emails I found 3 years ago included the same lingo as what I found a week ago, except more detailed. Selfies were included as well as his age, ethnicity… I knew there was no way it wasn’t him, but I was really hoping it was just a phase.

If I may be blunt, you're being rather vague with your answers which is understandable. While I'm not a mental health professional, this may suggest you're still in shock, perhaps lying to yourself, bargaining with yourself, and/or trying to protect him. So let me be very clear with my follow-up questions: 

a. Did he discuss gay sex and gay sexual acts in these emails? 
b. Did these emails clearly have a goal: namely meeting men for sex? 
c. Were the photos naked photos of him in what looked like different sexual positions? 

Only respond if you're ready my friend. 

3. Your “drinking problem” comment resonates with me because he has had legal issues with drinking on more than one occasion. He now smokes pot every night and unfortunately living with someone who needs to rely on a substance wasn’t exactly what I signed up for either.

These are massive red flags my friend and go beyond the issue of his sexuality. I'd recommend you seek professional help for yourself and ask the counsellor about addictions/alcoholism. Things often get much much worse before they get better. 

4. I guess after 5 years of being with someone, I’m was hoping there could be some way to fix this.

Few of us were just ready to walk

Is He/She Gay » A gay ex-husband answers your questions » May 24, 2022 6:59 pm

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Thank you for posting Meredith, although I'm so very sorry you've found yourself here. In reply: 

1. I’m new here and I posted last week a quick summary (“Crushed and Heartbroken”) of what has transpired as of recently. Long story short, 3 years ago I found emails from my boyfriend to random men on CL [Craig's List]. All of these emails were sent while I was out of town. When I caught him, he swore up and down they weren’t from him and he must have been hacked.

Lie. Question: what exactly was he emailing these men? 

2. I didn’t believe him, but I figured it was a phase and perhaps he would grow out of it after being caught.

Cheating is like an iceberg, meaning 9/10ths often remains below water. Setting aside the issue of his sexuality, please get tested for STDs/STIs and only use condoms when having sex with your boyfriend. I'd also ask your boyfriend to get tested and if he tries to weasel his way out of it, that's confirmation he's doing much more than just swapping email recipes with these men. 

3. Last week, I snooped through his phone and found a fake email with messages sent out saying “DL fit vers top” that were sent while he was out of town.

Wow. For a self-identified straight man, he's very well-versed in gay hook-up slang. While I'm a bit out of practice, I believe his moniker means:

DL = down low, aka closeted man in a relationship with a woman seeks discreet hook ups  
vers top = versatile top, meaning he can either penetrate another man or be penetrated but prefers to top/penetrate others

4. I confronted him...

Good for you. 

5. ...and he finally owned up to the fact that he sent them, but insisted that he didn’t have sex with anyone...

Bullsh*t. 

6. ...and instead it was just something that turned him on. I asked why the fake email and he said that “it added to the excitement,” but he kept saying he was not gay.

Ok. Let's use his logic on some other, more g-rated, situa

Is He/She Gay » A gay ex-husband answers your questions » May 23, 2022 2:48 pm

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Thank you for writing everyone. In reply: 

Beastie wrote:

1. Thanks for answering my questions. 

My pleasure. 

2. Yes, we conceived our three children when we were in our twenties and early thirties. He knew I wanted children, although he did not particularly want children and did not participate in their care in any meaningful way. I got pregnant easily, so it didn't take much performance on his part.

This is quite common. 

3. I think my ex went out of his way to have "regular" sex with me so I wouldn't get suspicious. At least once a week. But he needed porn to get an erection and I really think he'd bring himself to the edge of ejaculation before coming to bed to finish off with me as a sex toy.

How monstrous. 

4. But the oral sex confused me. I would have thought that gay men couldn't stand to get that close to a woman's vagina. But your explanation makes sense. It's mainly PIV [penis-in-vagina sex] they want to avoid. 

Correct.

5. I do suspect my ex is a bottom. [The gay male who prefers to be penetrated anally.] He wanted me to penetrate him with a strap-on and appeared emotionally moved by it, which struck me as strange at the time. It was like that was real intimacy, and everything else we'd ever done didn't count. 

You make a very good point here. Following discovery of a husband's homosexuality, most couples attempt a form of mixed-orientation-marriage (also referred to as "MOMs"). Many try to incorporate strap ons or sex toys, just as you've described above. Other couples attempt open marriages or threesomes. Few MOMs survive more than two years. The outcome is usually as follows: the straight wife gets little to nothing out of this new "exploration" and is often horrified to discover just how much her questioning husband enjoys having sex with men and/or being penetrated.  

Crystal wrote: 

[b]1. He [gay ex-husband] claimed that he was not given a choice when sexually molested by another boy.

Is He/She Gay » A gay ex-husband answers your questions » May 22, 2022 2:13 pm

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Thank you for writing everyone. In reply: 

Crystal wrote: 

1. This was my experience as well with my now GXH. When we first met in our early 20's this is all we would do is have great make out sessions. I thought oh wow what a great kisser. It took a while for us to get to sexual. I would question him about it and he would say that he wanted to take his time and not rush into things.

This "let's wait to have sex" approach is quite common among closeted gay men, and particularly among Evangelical closeted gay men. He often uses the excuse of "God wants us to save ourselves for marriage" to avoid having sex with a woman until the couple has married. Then once married the sex is often infrequent and completely without passion. Rather than blame her boyfriend/husband's homosexuality, the straight woman often thinks the lack of intimacy is her fault.  

2. I took this as "oh what a gentleman". Never imagining that he'd be gay. Got married and it was a 13 year spiral of very minimal sex in our marriage. As Sean mentions, sex was overwhelming for him. He would blame it on stress, me, his childhood trauma etc, etc.

I discuss this and many other things in the following "Our Path" podcasts: 

S4 Ep 3: A “Narcissist in Recovery” Gets Real - OurPath
S5 Ep 5: A Former Closeted Narcissist in Recovery Answers Your Questions - OurPath

It's quite common for closeted husbands to claim "childhood trauma made me gay," particularly when his wife has caught him cheating yet again. I have yet to read a credible scientific study that proves a correlation between childhood abuse and homosexuality in men. While I'm not a mental health professional, I urge straight spouses to approach "I'm f*cking men because I was abused as a child" with a certain degree o

Is He/She Gay » A gay ex-husband answers your questions » May 21, 2022 4:22 am

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Thank you for writing Diff and Carnation. In reply to Carnation's post: 

1. I am seeing a guy and things are amazing when we’re together. We hit it off great and always have a good time when we’re together.

Like a gay bestie perhaps? 

2. The night usually ends with him becoming extremely affectionate with kissing. He said that the thought of taking it further and being intimate is overwhelming.

Red flag. Most younger gay men have kissed women, because kissing is easy and we're doing what's expected of us (read: date women). It's also easy to caresse, massage, and perform oral sex on a woman. But boners, or the lack thereof, don't lie. What we as gay men find "overwhelming" is penis-in-vagina sex because we're not interested in sex with vaginas, nor the women attached to them. 

3. I don’t know where this is coming from, as we always have such a good time together and he is the one who initiates every time we make out. Do you think this could mean anything?

Ask yourself this: will this relationship improve over time? When we're young, naive, childless, and fancy-free, the dating years are often the best years. If things are rocky now, imagine your relationship 20 years later, with three kids, and a mortgage. While I don't have a lot of information here, most gay/straight marriages fail because the closeted husband is not interested in sex with his wife. In fact, the closeted husband never really demonstrated a sexual interest in his girlfriend/wife. So what's my point? If he's avoiding sex and you're asking these questions here & now, I don't think this man is your prince charming. 

Be well! 

Is He/She Gay » A gay ex-husband answers your questions » May 19, 2022 4:34 pm

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Thank you for sharing Sweeetlisa. In reply: 

1. I found a gay user email address bbc4wbbtyrone@******.com in my husband's email account.  It stands for big black cock for white bare back tyrone (his username). 

Wow! That must have been quite the shock. I hope you're ok following this discovery. For those readers who don't know, the term "bareback" means sex without a condom. 

2. I researched on grinder and a bunch of other hookup/gay apps and there seems to be many men out there on the down low seeking other men for sex. 

Correct. I should add that there are also many straight apps, message boards, and websites for heterosexual men and women also looking for sex/hook ups. The gay community doesn't have a monopoly on cheating as straights do it as well...and in greater numbers I might add. Some other Grindr-like gay sex apps are: Scruff and Hornet to name a few.  

3. It's quite unsettling the amount of men using these apps.  On the one hand I suspect my husband is bisexual or gay (in the closet) strait acting. 

It's certainly possible. If your husband enjoys sex with women (namely you) and men, then that suggests he's bisexual. If however he's never demonstrated an interest in sex with you nor any other women, then he might be a closeted gay husband. 

4. On the other hand it seems as though men are sexual human beings perhaps seeking like minded sexual beings for fun (and not having to deal with emotions and women).  Almost like men simply want to enjoy raunchy sex and keep it simple,, easier to deal with man only with penis/anal penetration to receive the ultimate prostate climax, something a woman can't do as easily and on a with with a high sexual drive.  What are your thoughts on this? 

In my experience, the gay (male) community is indeed very sexual and gay men have, on average, more sexual partners than heterosexuals. HOWEVER, it's a myth that the gay community is just one constant disco and drug

Is He/She Gay » A gay ex-husband answers your questions » May 9, 2022 3:21 pm

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Thank you for writing Crystal. While I'd encourage you to focus on yourself and your own mental health, "The Velvet Rage" by Dr. Alan Downs is an excellent book about the (male) coming out process. There is also an audio book version. If you spend most of your time thinking about your ex-husband, your former marriage, and perhaps feel an overwhelming need to heal him, you might want to consult www.coda.org or speak to a mental health professional about co-dependency. "Co-Dependent No More" by Melody Beattie is an excellent book about narcissist/co-dependent relationships. Please feel free to post again if I haven't answered your questions. Be well! 

Is He/She Gay » A gay ex-husband answers your questions » May 8, 2022 1:25 am

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Thank you for writing Crystal. I'm afraid that I didn't quite understand your post so I'm taking the liberty of responding to your original post to provide some context. Here we go: 

1. Is it possible that trauma can make someone suppress and not accept that they are gay? I do not understand trauma but I do know that sexual trauma is very complex. My GXH [gay ex-husband] experienced childhood sexual trauma from another male.

Believe it or not, many closeted or formerly closeted husbands claim "sexual abuse made me gay." This is something I discuss during two podcasts with Our Path: 

S4 Ep 3: A “Narcissist in Recovery” Gets Real - OurPath skip to 1H:03MINS:00
S5 Ep 5: A Former Closeted Narcissist in Recovery Answers Your Questions - OurPath 00:45MINS:00

As I shared in the above interviews, I tell straight wives (or ex-wives) that they don't have to automatically believe pathologically dishonest husbands who claim "sexual abuse made me gay." If your husband lied for most of your marriage, there is a very real possibility that he's lying about this to gain sympathy and somehow explain away gay porn and cheating. I only know a handful of out gay men who were sexually abused as children and they all say the same thing. "I was a gay boy who was abused. The abuse didn't make me gay." So while any form of sexual abuse or trauma is barbaric and (thankfully) illegal, I urge straight spouses to gage what he's saying based on how honest he was over the course of your relationship. When interacting with straight spouses, I often sidestep the issue of childhood abuse to focus on the question of her husband's honesty. I urge them to grade their husbands on an honesty scale of 0-10 with ten (10) being totally honest and zero (0) meaning he was a pathologic

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