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April 4, 2024 8:37 am  #1


General Help

My story starts about 6 months ago.  Now looking back and seeing all the red flags and mind games it started way before then.  I have been married 22 years to my husband.  We have struggled with our sex life after kids were born.  I got hormone pellets which helped my drive.  He would reject me.  He said it was because of the years of rejection I placed on him.  I have always had low self esteem etc.  He disclosed to me that he had a porn addiction.  He blamed me for continued use of porn due to the fact I did not want to have sex with him.  I could not understand when I initiated it he would still reject me.  The rejection of sex continued on and off for a couple of years.  It would get better at times worse at times.  He had told me about 3 years ago he was going to stop the porn.  On and off I would ask him if he had quite he said confirmed that he had.  He was in a virtual support group to stop.  
Two years later, we continued to drift apart staying together for the kids.  One is graduated the other is still 17.  
I admit we were that couple who focused on everyone else but our relationship we both were committed  to family despite the growing distance between the two  of us.  
He came from a home in which his dad was no where to be found divorced his mom and was raised by his mom and  his older brother who came out as gay this last year after their mom died.  I come from a close family with a strong supportive mother and father and family.  
My husband was the soul caretaker for his mother and I did not complain about that and supported him and her throughout her illnesses.  We even had a garage apartment renovated for her to live in before she had to go to the nursing home.  I knew she meant the world to him and my boys when they were little they got to see her every day.  Throughout our marriage he has complained about me putting my family first my aging father my other family members etc.  Which I do not understand, his mother lived in our back yard and on date nights when we would go out after she lived in the nursing home he would want to go by and see her which i never complained about.  
I come from a close family with a strong supportive mother and father and family so I understood his love and commitment  to his mother.   So I came to resent the fact he would get so angry at me for spending time with mine.  
This last 2 years as well he has just stayed on the couch and I knew he was suffering from depression.  My boys just wanted to go do things experience things "guy things"  my husband has always beat him self up at not being "a mans man"  knowing how to do thing sports things fix it things even small task around the house would just set him off and send him spiraling into a pitiful state of "I will never be good enough"  I begged him to go to counseling get new medicine.  Talk to someone.  So to protect the boys I took on the role of just getting out and doing as much stuff with them outside the house as I could.  I focused on work and paying off bills because I was not getting "fed"  with the love I needed and was just trying to provide the best for the boys.  They love their dad and he is a great dad.  
We continued to drift apart staying together for the kids.  One is graduated the other is still in highschool.  I admit we were that couple who focused on everyone else but our relationship we both were committed  to family despite the growing distance between the two  of us.   I knew we needed work I asked him to go to counseling for us etc.  
Skip to about a year ago, my mother in law died, my brother in law disclosed his being gay and told my husband it was the happiest he had ever been. my husband told me it did not surprise him.  
Our relationship continued to be strained even my sister noticed my husband getting short with me this last summer which he never does in public.  So I knew there was something wrong.  I am not saying I did not have my faults but I knew something was off.  One night he just blew up at my son.  We drove around and I asked him if this was the end "he said yes"  The next day we talked on the couch he settled down and he told me that he struggled with the same feelings his brother did.  I just took it as "oh you just long for a relationship with your dad which you never had"  I was in complete denial.  He told me the porn support group he belonged to was for SSA.  He has had a friend from that group that he has kept in contact with that was married struggled with SSA and porn and they were just support for one another.  I believe it may have been more.  He told me it was not. 
To make this story short I told him we need to tell the boys I am going to my sisters until he can find a new place.  He blew up and said you always  run to your family.  Is this what you want?  I said no if you want to work on us we can.   So he  strung me along being cold distant and I just gave him space I worked the the Love Dare book told him the SSA didn't matter as long as he truly wanted to be with me and would just come to terms with being OK in his own skin.  I would ask do you want to try "I don't know" this answer continued for 3 weeks or so, I started separating myself from the darkness and tried to get back to church.  I disclosed his secret to my Dr and friend who has helped me work through this.  I told my sister as well who loves my husband like her own brother.  
As I distanced myself he decided he wanted to try to stay together he said all the write things he will get counseling go back to church with me.  This lasted about 2 weeks then he blew up at me again and disclosed to me that he had also been in chat rooms with men and he was now looking at apartments.  I was struggling now and just wanted my husband back he was my best friend the one I leaned on when my mom got cancer and died we had some very good time especially when the boys were little.  We did have a good marriage and I thought we still had time to work on us.  Financially it was going to be hard for him I  make more, the holidays were coming and we decided he could stay until the first on the year.  Well that rolled around and again he broke down when it was time to sign the lease said he couldn't leave.  Crying to me and told me he would again get help etc.  I felt so good, the next day was good then he asked if I had told anyone about his porn use.  I told him I had just because another friends husband had the same problem.  He blew up told me he was leaving again.  I asked him do not tell the boys until he has a plan.  So another month rolled around he did not get any help for him self and did nothing except work couch and TV.  I told him it was time to leave.  He said he understood.  Signed a lease to an apartment. The next day cornered me and begged to stay one more time he said he would make it up to me all the right things to stay.  I knew I would not be strong enough to make him go.  It felt good again but I was still nervous about him changing his mind again but I said OK.  He asked me if I had told anyone about his SSA I told him friend and sister.   He said I can not trust you etc.  so he is planning again to move.  I am at a loss.  I am just numb.  I am broken.   He has projected anger  to me about me working too much, not cleaning the house good enough, I am a runner so complained about me running too much,  that he was the house wife when the kids were small, we both worked and if the kids were sick he did stay with them he had lots of sick time with his work I did not with my job.  I am lost and torn.  I think he needs to go get a dose of reality and move  and I have this suspicion that he has done more than just chat rooms with men.  
I love the idea of MOM working but he has got to be OK with himself.  I needed help and I needed to talk to someone it is like he has totally no thought process now of how this is making me feel. 
Help any advice would be appreciated.  Sorry my story is all over the place.  This forum has already helped me so much the similarities of stories is mind-blowing and honestly the only thing keeping me going right now. 
 

Last edited by Thelight (April 4, 2024 11:20 am)

 

April 4, 2024 11:37 am  #2


Re: General Help

TheLight....welcome to our Forum

Reading the story of the breakdown of your marriage....even though you may still be together....it appears the only thing keeping you together is his need for somebody to blame and your acceptance to take that on board because he's your "best friend".

Looking at it from the outside I can see he's spun you around several times to make you dizzy and has used your emotional bond with him to keep you unbalanced and unsure.

Can you see what he's doing to you? He needs you codependent and you need to be strong enough to see yourself as worthy enough to have a choice, and a voice, in your life, not his

Elle


KIA KAHA                       
 

April 4, 2024 12:16 pm  #3


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Thank you Elle, 
I see it I just want to be strong, I just want to get off this rollar coaster to heal.  I guess I just want him happy my heart breaks for him truly but this is not healthy.  I will be OK I know I will.  I thought I was strong enough last time he wanted out.  I avoided being alone with him.   I knew what was coming and damn it it happened.  I was not strong enough.  Someone wrote something that makes sense.  I am the last keeper of his closet.  I do not even know if he knows what he is doing to me.  He probably does.  He swears he has not had an affair.  But even the online chat stuff i do not even want to think about that.  I am protecting him.  I need to stop.  I pray my friend helps.  I need to start going to my own therapy to get brave.  

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April 6, 2024 6:58 pm  #4


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Thelight,

I'm so sorry this is happening to you.

Sometimes newly out spouses tend to go back into the closet and lovebomb the straight spouse to enter with them.  The same issues resurface after a while.

I wasn't strong when I told my ex-h to leave and filed for divorce. I was weak and scared.  It took a leap of faith that I was headed towards an honest future free from abuse and manipulation. 

I've gotten stronger dealing with the aftermath of my marriage. My present is free from abuse and manipulation. Leaving was worth it.


No - It's not too late. It's not hopeless. Even there, there's something I can do. I just have to find the will. Ikiru (1952), film directed by Akira Kurosawa 
 

April 9, 2024 2:53 pm  #5


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Thelight,

I'm new to this forum and to this whole situation I find myself in, but I just wanted to say that I have many similarities I'm working through. I'm sorry you're going through this. Stay strong. I hope all the best for you.

 

April 23, 2024 4:34 pm  #6


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Hi guys so here I am 3 weeks from last post just going through the motions still in limbo with a layer that most don’t understand but you guys.  He is cold distant I tell him to leave he says he is then says no wait I’m going to counselor. I let my guard back up try to talk about hard issues then just can’t. It’s just a big white elephant in the room. For those of you who have been through this why is it all I want to talk about is what he is thinking and what is his next move is.  I’m fine one minute then just exhausted the next yes I made commitments but I don’t know how much longer I can take.   Our anniversary was this weekend I did get him a gift just because. He got me nothing. It’s the little things.  I think he is just comfortable.  How do you have those hard conversations and stay calm!

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April 24, 2024 12:26 am  #7


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I used time limits.  Will you talk with me within the next three months.  Then when the three months was up I said I am giving you another three months incase you didn't realise I was serious.  He laughed.  And in those next three months I moved on.  I realised I was never going to get him to treat honourably with me.  I was the only responsible adult in the room.

There was no need for me to try and have those hard conversations, I was in the hands of a manipulator, he would rather fly to the moon than talk honestly with me - it was back to unilateral decision making like I did before I became a couple.  

 

April 24, 2024 9:25 am  #8


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"I was the only responsible adult in the room"

Truth.

When he walked out....he left me in the marital property that was half renovated, with 6 pets, a job that had no health benefits and I couldn't physically work full time in, and a planned surgery in 2 weeks. Complete abandonment. So, not only did I have to pick myself up off the floor from the trauma and betrayal (since I was blind sided), I had to get myself through a major surgery, alone, while keeping 4 high energy dogs and 2 cats alive, finish renovating a house, take a job with over an hour commute each way, and handle a million other adult-y things....because I just didn't get any say in the matter.

After a year of him refusing any form of communication, I then got to file for my own divorce. Now, I approach the 2 year mark of this cluster fuck and he has suddenly paraded back into the picture to hurl insults at me about how I "handled" the situation (ie: he's now trying to sue me for getting rid of some of the stuff in the marital home.....because I ended up having to move to a tiny place since I couldn't afford to pay everything and upkeep it all myself *eye roll*). If lawyers weren't so expensive, it would actually be laughable. And he just continues to pile on the bullshit.

He has never once acknowledged the hell he put me through, and just how much he dumped on me to deal with (while he was off finding himself). It was a tough pill to swallow....but I realized awhile back that it's because he just doesn't care about me, and never had. All this time I thought he "loved" me, was just him using me as a pawn in his life. And because I was such an amazing wife, and I gave him unwavering love and support....he made sure to suck me dry. Once he left me as a shell of a human, I was no longer useful to him, so he went off to live his "real" life.

Thelight - I don't think that anyone I've seen on this forum is or was strong. I have been going through this process for many years now, and seen many people join this forum. Sadly, I have seen so many broken and hurting individuals in this horrible situation. All come from a place of being madly in love with a person who is toxic, manipulating them, and hurting them. If you are able, invest in some personal counselling. Establish your own boundaries and what you want in life. Take the time to grieve what you are losing - because it is a lot. And it hurts.

Strangely enough - one of the things that helped me somewhat was to reframe my situation as my spouse had died. My therapist pointed out that the person I knew no longer existed and that this wasn't your traditional "getting divorced". In a traditional marriage, there is always a chance for resolution. There are options, there is hope for reconciliation, counselling, and other things that can be tried, prior to a divorce. In these marriages, where there is an unsuspecting straight spouse being used as a beard.....there is no chance. We try and try, and do everything in our power to save a marriage that can't be saved. 

And our non-straight spouse just sits back and watches us burn.

Last edited by Anon2222 (April 24, 2024 9:28 am)

 

April 24, 2024 1:44 pm  #9


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Thelight wrote:

....  How do you have those hard conversations and stay calm!

 
Conversations with my former partner A became intolerable because they were only ever to let out my frustration and for him to be dismissive of any concerns I had.
so I had to make the decision, come to the realisation that it was never going to change. He had too much to lose
It was all down to me. Control of my life.

*I* decided that I would give him 3 years to change, communicate, save the r'ship. I didn't tell him that's what I'd decided and to be truthful I was hoping still that he'd realise what was happening. He didn't. He simply thought everything was sweet.
After 3 years I decided because nothing had really changed that I'd no longer be intimate.
Fast forward another 3 years and I filed for separation.

What helped me through those 6 years was not relying on him to see what was happening to me, but knowing that life was no longer perfect and the only one who could change it was me

Elle


KIA KAHA                       
 

April 24, 2024 2:01 pm  #10


Re: General Help

MJM017 wrote:

Thelight,

I'm so sorry this is happening to you.

Sometimes newly out spouses tend to go back into the closet and lovebomb the straight spouse to enter with them.  The same issues resurface after a while.

I wasn't strong when I told my ex-h to leave and filed for divorce. I was weak and scared.  It took a leap of faith that I was headed towards an honest future free from abuse and manipulation. 

I've gotten stronger dealing with the aftermath of my marriage. My present is free from abuse and manipulation. Leaving was worth it.

 
Thank you

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