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December 8, 2017 11:41 am  #11


Re: I unwittingly married a transwoman

transwondering wrote:

YOU were never groped, harassed, catcalled, condescended to. No one doubted YOUR leadership capabilities or discounted YOUR ideas until they were spoken by a man. YOUR parents didn't only teach you how to sew and cook while grooming your brother for more important work. YOU, for decades, were able to walk down any street at any time of day and not fear for your life. YOU weren't sexualized by society as soon as you hit puberty. YOU had every goddamn privilege and you don't get to take on the mantle of the oppressed now. It is NOT YOURS.

THIS.  Oh God, THIS.  You totally get it.  He doesn't.  And whatever - that's not your problem.

Every time I hear of a transwoman getting indignant on behalf of women, it makes me think of Rachel Dolezal - the white woman who grew up white, and then tried to present herself as a black female activist later in life.  She did just what these transwomen do - tried to make her hair and outward appearance match what she saw as stereotypical African American, and then took on that identity, and feigned indignation at white people who wanted to feel black hair.  SHE didn't grow up oppressed as a black female - she has no right to take up that mantle as one who has suffered under it.  She is, in essence, just another white person who has stolen from black Americans what is rightfully theirs.  She could have been a white activist for black rights, and would have made even more of an impact.  Instead, she stole from them and then claimed to be oppressed because she was now part of a group that she CHOSE to become.  So self-centered.  Ugh.

Kel


You are not required to set yourself on fire to keep other people warm.
 

December 9, 2017 10:04 am  #12


Re: I unwittingly married a transwoman

Kel,
   Yes, yes, yes!  The Rachel Dolezal analogy is exactly the one that started me on the intellectual road of rejecting the whole trans narrative of "transwomen are women" and the idea that people of one sex can become the other sex!  (Although, I must say, the illogic of believing that one's biological sex is mutable ought to be clear to anyone who can think!  An XY male can feminize himself with hormones, but that does not transform him into a female.  It makes him a feminized male.)  Rachel Dolezal "passing" as black/African-American does not make her black/African-American, a fact people had no trouble understanding, along with why her appropriation of blackness and black experience was so offensive.  So why is it that when it comes to MEN appropriating WOMAN a different standard prevails?  
  The trans community, by the way, denies the analogy between their appropriation of woman and Dolezal's appropriation of blackness.  In fact, they attacked an article written by the feminist philosopher Rebecca Tuvel that assesses whether Transgenderism and Transracialism are justified by the same philosophical measures and concludes that it is.  Tuvel wasn't saying transracialism IS justified or "real," just that if we apply the same rationale to transracialism as transgenderists cite to justify transgenderism, we have to conclude that transracialism is as valid as transgenderism.  She and her article were attacked with such vitriol that even "Hypatia," the journal whose panel of academics had assessed and vetted the article ("Hypatia" is a legitimate, peer-reviewed academic journal) disavowed it!  Essentially, a group of men (who say they're women) wouldn't even let her DISCUSS the issue, because even to raise the question "delegitimated" them.  They shouted her down and told her the topic was off limits and sought to destroy her academic career because they didn't like what she said!  It was a double censorship: a "you can't question us or what we say" and "if you do, we'll censor what you've written."   She wasn't even advocating anything; all she was doing was thinking about something!
   It's no wonder those of us partnered to the transgendered feel such pressure to "get along and go along."
  

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