Posted by ColoradoDad November 20, 2020 10:50 am | #1 |
My wife - or I guess I should start getting used to the term ex-wife - and I have been legally separated and living apart for 3 years, but had rekindled a dating relationship for the last two of those years (whole story here: https://straightspouse.boardhost.com/viewtopic.php?id=2283). A month ago she ended the romantic component of our relationship and started a relationship with a woman. Our boys stay with each of us for a week at a time (Wed - Wed), which they've been doing for 3 years. But since they left on Wed afternoon this week I've felt way more alone than usual. Before, the boys were going back and forth but there was still a committed relationship between the two of us. This week it feels like her relationship/partner/love is over there and the boys are there, and it's just me here. Don't get me wrong, she's very supportive of how this affecting me, and there's no anger, lying, deceit or manipulation. From those points of view, this is going about as graciously - in both directions - as it could go. But it's still heartbreaking and difficult to process, and it's difficult to focus on work or anything else.
Posted by Virion November 20, 2020 11:15 am | #2 |
Colorado Dad,
I just wanted to say this is a new part of the grieving process of the dissolution of your marriage, good days, bad days, confident days and frightening "I want to hide days and I will never be right again"
I am not quite where you are yet with my Husband but will be soon . I am previously divorced from a straight man who had affairs but I have to say this whole different mind trauma of questions and confusion and mixed feelings ..-why , why,?? .It is almost like I have to "graciously" accept that he is Gay or bisexual ( his labels change frequently) and that he is somewhat more of a victim that I (because of being a slave to his sexuality all his life , oh the trauma of hiding etc etc )
This is a whole CRAZY world that I never thought I would be entangled in and it is mentally damaging- make sure you have support - either friends or therapist or just vent here..
And ,unfortunately as other posters have rightly said ( which I didnt believe for a Loooong time !) , these former GID spouses ARE master manipulators/liars and very deceitful- THEY come first in their minds, the fact that your wife rekindled an attempted romance with you ( as mine did) knowing that this is not who they really are seems to be a typical pattern
Yes I'm sure she's supportive of you but don't mistake that for anything genuine from her, shes doing damage limitation , feel your anger, cry and always remember THIS TOO SHALL PASS my friend
Posted by lily November 20, 2020 12:53 pm | #3 |
Colorado Dad, imo, the way you are feeling is the proof of the pudding. Virion is right.
A month ago she ended the romance with you and 'started' a new relationship? no I doubt that, more likely she has been dating women all along.
We all get to feel alone at times but, oh I dunno, it feels to me like she is not being supportive, so here's my advice - don't listen to what she says, listen to how it is making you feel. take a step back and watch how she behaves.
sorry to be stark about it but she's a lesbian, she never has and never will feel romantic about you. and yet she dated you all over again. of course it hurts!!
you have courage. you will feel better again. promise.
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Posted by ColoradoDad November 20, 2020 4:26 pm | #4 |
Ok, I have to push back. I understand we're all at different phases of this process and that we all have different experiences and come from different relationships, but for my own peace of mind I can't let people say my spouse lied, was manipulative, never felt romantic about me, or that the 20 years of our relationship were anything less than true. I am not, in any way, discounting anyone else's experiences in their relationships, and maybe I'm still naive and my view about mine will change over time, but I genuinely believe this has been a recent process of discovery for her, that she has been honest and respectful about the timeline and desire to end the romantic relationship with me before starting one with her new partner, and honest about how her relationship with a long-time family friend developed into a romantic one. This isn't a different person than I married. She's no less honest, respectful, kind, or thoughtful. Her wants and needs changed over time, as all of ours have over the past 20 years, and she's realized she has to take a different path. It's difficult for me to process the loss of the future I envisioned and that it's no longer me that lights her up, which is why I'm here, but I have no cause to speak or think ill of my spouse and can't just stand by as others do.
Posted by TangledOil November 20, 2020 5:25 pm | #5 |
CoronadoDad,
I want to offer you support. You could very well be assessing your situation correctly. You know better than anyone else your own situation. Time will give you more clarity I’m sure. As for my husband and myself, if we decided to live apart I have little doubt that we could grow apart more easily over time. He and I have actually discussed this. Please don’t be scared away from this forum as many others have when their situations were being viewed far differently from how they portrayed them here.
Wishing you the best.
Tangled
Posted by TangledOil November 20, 2020 5:40 pm | #6 |
I want to add if the new person in your ex-wife’s life was a man there were be far less speculation that she was with others all along. Many people posting here are jaded and rightfully so given their situations, but that doesn’t make it right for you to bare the brunt of their hurt and frustration.
Posted by Daryl November 20, 2020 6:35 pm | #7 |
It's understandable that you would be feeling alone. I expect the dating relationship was a hopeful sign to you that maybe it could work out eventually. Now that hope gets dashed and it's like three years ago once again. I'd have probably jumped at a similar opportunity in my first year or two of this. I think I'm better off that it didn't go that way for me.
I think you have a new normal to get used to and you need to think about productive outlets that you can utilize on your weeks when the boys aren't around. It doesn't need to be anything elaborate but something that keeps you from spending too much time staring at walls or a tv screen. The pandemic certainly adds a new wrinkle to this but you don't have to make a massive change in anything. It can be as simple as a new hobby, daily exercise routine, even a pet dog might do wonders. In my situation I was fortunate to keep the dog. This gave me a daily reason to get up, get outside several times per day and constant company. You have to decide what might work for you and you also demonstrate to the boys that it's possible to handle anything that life throws at you.
Peace.
Posted by Julian_Stone November 20, 2020 7:17 pm | #8 |
Hi CD—It's understandable that you're feeling lonely & heartbroken. There's no playbook for this sort of thing...Even in the best of scenarios, it's still incredibly sad. I think it's great that you have a friendly relationship with your (ex)wife...but, understand that anger is often a natural part of the grieving process—and it may hit you when you least expect it. That's normal—and OK. Twenty years is a really long time...You're not going to detach with (romantic) love overnight...but it will happen.
I read your original post, and it seems like you're blaming yourself a bit. Please know: There's *nothing* you could have done to prevent this. Do you have someone you can talk to? A therapist or close friend? I think Daryl's advice is really good...You really need to focus on yourself now—maybe find new hobbies (or revisit old ones)...Maybe even meet new friends with shared interests. I hear that Bumble is a good app for that (though I know things are really complicated now with the pandemic!) Exercise and meditation were also helpful to me in those first several dark weeks.
Take care—and keep posting! <3
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Posted by lily November 21, 2020 1:59 am | #9 |
it doesn't really matter what I say or what Tangled says, it's the truth of the matter that matters. If she is manipulative then until you see it for yourself you are at her mercy. If she is not manipulative then no worries, eh.
all the best, hope things turn out well for you, Lily
Posted by MelanieElizabeth November 27, 2020 11:31 am | #10 |
Hey ColoradoDad - I just want to speak up and say that my experience has been more like yours. The first 18 years of my 23 year marriage were really good in every way. My husband and I are separated for 2 months and we're both in EMDR Trauma therapy. He was sexually abused by more than one man as a child and sometimes an attraction to men later in life - especially when the trauma has not been treated - is a compulsion to reenact and resolve the trauma, not gay identity. Once you treat the trauma, the compulsion goes away, and then a man can figure out if he's is truly attracted to men (gay) or not. I'm willing to give him a chance to find out because we did have something really good for so long. Also, the person who abused him came up in his life again a few years ago, which may have triggered him. I realize after all the treatment he may be gay. And the divorce will continue. But, I have to find out.
So all this is a way of me saying I believe that you and your wife/ex may have a good relationship. Gender and sexual fluidity is complicated. I agree with other posts that sometimes (maybe even most of the time) the LGBT spouse has known for a long time and learned manipulation very well as a survival tactic. And, they can get better and better at it as they age. So, please be careful. If there is manipulation going on, she may not even realize she's doing it. I know my Husband has been very disassociated (living two lives in his head) for a couple of years because his brain has been manipulating him. He's been lying to himself and of course that leads to lying to others. He's making progress, and I'm seeing the person I married coming back. We just have to see what that person's sexual orientation really is. Just make sure to self-protect and have some emotional/physical boundaries (my ex and I live apart, see each other to talk but there's no romantic engagement). Good luck to you!