Posted by BirdSolveig October 13, 2020 8:37 am | #1 |
I've been reading the posts on this website for a while and finally something is coming to me about my TG XH. I talked to a therapist a few years ago who specialized in treating transgenders. I told her how when we were married, every weekend he went to his cabin, from Friday afternoon to Sunday evening. This started when we had been married 2 years. I complained to the therapist that I felt he had dropped out of our marriage by his regular, long absences which were for his own pleasure. The therapist said that "he was transgendering" at his cabin. What I am finally realizing is that this was deception on his part, if what she said was true. He didn't come out to me until after we had been divorced many years. There were TG signs before and during our marriage that I didn't pick up on until after he came out.
He is really into his new identity as a woman now - has a Facebook page devoted to it.
I am considering moving to another state to get away from his presence in the small town we live in. I'm approaching this decision slowly and carefully. There aren't very many people I can talk to about him. I do have a different therapist who is sympathetic. I've lost 2 close friends because of their lack of support on this issue.
Last edited by BirdSolveig (October 13, 2020 8:38 am)
Posted by Rob October 14, 2020 11:17 am | #2 |
Birdsolvig,
I think we can all identify..on this board.
My family and friends who I told about my GX had a hard time wrapping their head around the gay. My own brother didn't believe me until I showed him the proof I had. My GX hid here same sex attraction well. It is something they couldn't wrap their heads around because I had been married to her for so long. I think friends or family are not able to understand the trans or gay anymore than we can.
But I do think the good friends or family try. That is all we can ask.
Like the gay or trans I think the deception is something we just need to accept to move on. It is what separates us from them..we are not capable of such deception..at least not naturally. I can think of nothing any of us did that warrants such deception (though my GX tried her best to make me think I deserved it).
Best of luck to you moving on..I think moving may be best if it helps you avoid contact and triggers and helps you feel safe.
Posted by blindone October 14, 2020 1:16 pm | #3 |
I'm in a different situation, my ex, not sure if he's gay or just cheated with men - lives 8 miles away in the new house we built together. I have to drive past to get to grocery store. Seems each week I see him in traffic. Last week I was having a great day, and get back in the car at Trader Joe's, look up and there he is right in front of me inside the store checking out. It's an instant trigger for anger, lashing out. I called him and he's so flippant, oh why didn't you say hi??? Are you kidding me? Do you know what it does to me? I would move away if I could - job and family keep me here. My hope is that he will leave. He hates our home town anyway. The house will still always be there as a reminder that I have to drive past each time I travel to any sort of groceries. Starting fresh in as many ways possible seems like a good idea. Wishing you peace......
Posted by Ellexoh_nz October 14, 2020 2:59 pm | #4 |
Deception.....for whatever selfish reason "oh I didn't want to hurt you"..."I thought it wouldn't matter if it was another man".....is what killed my perception of and belief in a r'ship I thought would go on forever. It wasn't until I looked back at those 3-4 months, when he was dismissive, avoiding meaningful discussion, displayed uncalled-for anger, was man-scaping and telling me it was for him, went to a doctor but wouldn't tell me what for. All these things by themselves might not add up to anything but taking a good look at that time, and knowing it was all before he sent an email suggesting I allow him to bi-sexually-explore.....those 3-4 months were a death knell.
Posted by Julian_Stone October 14, 2020 3:09 pm | #5 |
Ellexoh_nz wrote:
he sent an email suggesting I allow him to bi-sexually-explore.....those 3-4 months were a death knell.
An EMAIL?? WTH
Posted by Ellexoh_nz October 14, 2020 5:47 pm | #6 |
Julian_Stone wrote:
....An EMAIL?? WTH
This is a man who 'talks' better, about sexual needs, when it's not face to face. It took me 3 years to finally realise he won't change. Since all sexual contact between us has ceased...the ball is now in his court.
Elle
Posted by Rob October 14, 2020 8:51 pm | #7 |
Ellexoh_nz wrote:
Julian_Stone wrote:
....An EMAIL?? WTH
This is a man who 'talks' better, about sexual needs, when it's not face to face. It took me 3 years to finally realise he won't change. Since all sexual contact between us has ceased...the ball is now in his court.
Elle
I got a letter after 6 months of her cheating about how she had wanted to leave because I didn't take out the trash enough and went to work etc..nothing about being gay, cheating or I'm sorry.
When I tried to talk her about it, of course, I was met with rage.. I was supposed to praise her for writing a nice letter.
One thing I learned...when she writes it down or screams it she thinks, in her mind, that it's true. That it makes her reality right and moral and correct. A calm honest talk...no, that would give rise to her being wrong..
Our letters/emails serve as good reminders of how broken their minds are.
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Posted by BirdSolveig October 15, 2020 6:17 am | #8 |
Blindone, I can really identify with your situation. I changed my regular driving routes so I don't pass by his apt. or the house we lived in. But I do run into him in stores, etc. A year ago I saw him twice in church dressed as a woman for the first time. I haven't been back to that church since then. It's hard to forget the situation when you have to keep running into that person. When he moved back here years ago, my thought was "Now I'll never be happy again."
I want to move away from here but I'm not sure whether I should because of other circumstances.
Posted by Zenobia October 18, 2020 9:41 pm | #9 |
Rob I think that is a good point about the deception. In my case it seems that so very much of his personality was completely fake. Some interests are the same post TTT but odd likes like favorite color are different (who makes up a fake favorite color?!). In some ways it helps that the person here now is different in many ways. It’s helped with detaching. But it’s also been so hard to reconcile why and how.
It’s a question I’m working on not asking myself anymore but why deceive me for so very long rather than look for a partner that whose sexuality was more open so that TTT would have made no relationship difference. Guess that would be difficult without outing yourself but seems like it would have been far less pressure and much easier. I was screamed at for never outright saying I was hetero. After more than a decade of knowing each other. I can’t wrap my head around that but perhaps it is because I can’t imagine deceiving someone like that so I can’t fathom why I would ever have to be so point blank and declare sexuality as it seems pretty obvious and I’d hope no matter what it was it would be obvious to my partner. But for him he deceived for years before there was any hint of TTT and then also however many female partners he had before that who never caught him in their underwear.
Bird I’m so sorry you are going through this. It is extremely difficult when you have to keep seeing them. In my case I’m hoping eventually he will move out and to another town but no idea if/when it will happen. I understand how hard it can impact healing and moving forward.
Posted by OutofHisCloset October 19, 2020 7:31 am | #10 |
BirdSolveig,
About friends: I don't think most people understand the extent of what those of us who live with transgendered husbands go through. Heck, I lived through it and after almost three years after leaving I feel that I have not yet fully understood the deep and far-reaching effects of the simultaneous denial and appropriation of my womanhood and of my sexual response. And most people, I've learned, don't want to know, because it interferes with their ideas of themselves as good, accepting, liberal people. My recovery, too, has also required me to distance myself from friends. Among the many hurts dealt out by my ex's declaration he was "a woman in a man's body" is the damage done to my friendship with the closest long term friend I had.
I also have decided that in order to heal fully I will have to move away entirely from the community where I have lived for thirty years. It's a calculation I've made in favor of my healing, and one that holds even though with time he recedes farther from my consciousness. It's as if he's now out of the frame of my life, but living in a town where I may encounter him or see his car on the road or a parking lot, and where we had or have friends in common means he may be out of the frame, but he still lurks around the edges.
If you're still making a decision about moving, and wondering whether it's necessary, it might be a good idea not to be looking him up on Facebook, so you can see how much he intrudes into your life and thoughts. That is a way to sever the link further without moving.