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July 6, 2021 1:17 pm  #21


Re: Do Gay men keep nude pics of other men on PC if not gay?

Daryl wrote:

Particularly worrisome in young people as it might impede their ability to form real intimate relationships.

A perspective that was totally missed in the article I read. One I hadn’t thought of either after reading. Truly scary perspective,


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July 6, 2021 2:16 pm  #22


Re: Do Gay men keep nude pics of other men on PC if not gay?

longwayhome wrote:

there is also some scientific proof that is starting to emerge that watching porn over time, frequency surely comes into play too, but it actually starts to change things in our brains. Pretty powerful in my opinion.

This is particularly intriguing to me—and I believe we will see more compelling research on this. I'm a Redditor—and I'm astounded by the volume of posts from young men (20s/30s) experiencing ED issues/sexual orientation confusion seemingly related to porn use. As a young woman myself (not too far removed from the dating scene), I believe porn has also warped men's sense of sex/intimacy—and what is pleasurable to a woman. That, of course, is a topic for another forum.

I've always subscribed to a "born this way" theory when it comes to sexual orientation, but now I'm not so sure. I think maybe it is far more complicated than I'd ever imagined. I've seen an abundance of posts by men who'd become bored or desensitized (whatever the case may be) with straight porn...start watching more "taboo" stuff...and gradually develop a fixation on male genitalia/mm sex. Maybe the same is true for women (but, overwhelmingly, I've seen men post about this). There is a website/book "Your Brain on Porn" that's frequently referenced on "no fap" boards...I've not read it yet...but I find this all very interesting (and alarming).

 

July 6, 2021 2:33 pm  #23


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July 6, 2021 2:54 pm  #24


Re: Do Gay men keep nude pics of other men on PC if not gay?

there might just be a simpler explanation for all the young men experiencing ED issues/sexual orientation confusion - denial.

maybe we are vastly underestimating the number of people with same sex orientation.  maybe we are vastly underestimating the number of GID/straight marriages.

and maybe we are vastly underestimating the confusion it creates.  when we become sexually active there's a lot of experimentation goes on - the lesbian reacting badly to a young man's approach isn't saying to him sorry mate I'm a lesbian is she.  no she's making him feel like he's doing it wrong.

 

July 6, 2021 3:24 pm  #25


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July 6, 2021 5:38 pm  #26


Re: Do Gay men keep nude pics of other men on PC if not gay?

well I know I for sure underestimated the numbers.  and statistics aren't much help because of denial.

and I think we've gone through a tipping point.  

I first came across the idea of brain plasticity when my mother had a stroke.  They talk about a two week window in rehab.  for the first two weeks after the stroke you can recover function fast but after that it is a slow to impossible process.  There was this one man, his father had a stroke and his brother looked after their father and did 'patterning' with him - making him crawl around on all fours leaning up against the wall at the start.  The father went on to walk and return to his job.  So the man whose father this was was a brain surgeon and he did the autopsy on his father and said you could see the massive damage of the stroke.  The level of function he'd rebuilt was a groundbreaker in the field of stroke rehab.    So yes, brain plasticity is a big deal and I can imagine young teenagers watching porn are going to be very affected by watching it but it is not going to change their orientation, it is not going to change their instincts.  you can't brain plastic a transgender, can you.

yes I feel very much for the young adults - all this and covid too.


 

 

July 6, 2021 6:08 pm  #27


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July 6, 2021 10:17 pm  #28


Re: Do Gay men keep nude pics of other men on PC if not gay?

lily wrote:

.  you can't brain plastic a transgender, can you.

 

Yes.  That's what causes many cross dressers to go down the slippery slope into believing they must be trans.  The dopamine high of their part time fetish loses its punch.  Other cross dressers egg them on to go further in online forums and politcal correctness gives them permission to take it public full time. 

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July 7, 2021 9:02 am  #29


Re: Do Gay men keep nude pics of other men on PC if not gay?

longwayhome wrote:

Lily, with all due respect - I truly don’t believe this is what is happening.

I think we are on the cusp of some major shifts but like all major shifts in human history, the shift occurs slowly.

In term of our young men especially. We’ve turned things inside out for young males. They are still taught certain male roles. There’s is no denying that. Then we tell them to be strong, men don’t cry. Then we wrap them up, with all these responsibilities, it’s almost an expectation that the must succeed In all things. Same thing for the ladies, but the ladies, they are allowed their emotions growing up.

More and more these young men/woman are taking on more and more to compete with what they have been raised with, but the playing field has drastically changed for our young people. It vey much a materialistic world out there and it’s getting harder and harder to achieve success and maintain it. That’s what is happening in my opinion. Now Enter the virtual world.

The most plausible estimate I have seen suggests  that the ratio of homosexuality to heterosexuality is around 10%. Homosexuality in humans is actually an evolutionary prerequisite for success. If you look at laws of evolution, they are actually centred on the success of each individual species rather than the individual animals. Trait selection for reproduction in humans and many other developed mammals is left almost entirely to the stronger of the two sexes, females. Females have the greatest risk and parental investment cost over males. This is why in general men are less choosy when it comes to how, where and with whom. Females on the other hand are very selective when it comes to mating (take sex out of the equation at this point) with a distinct list of traits that are needed and desired in a mate. These traits are hard wired from millions and millions of years of evolution spent predominantly as hunter gatherers in hostile environments. Women select for genetic physical health, which is visible and obviously includes strength, broad shoulders, hip to waist ratios and facial symmetry. The character traits desired are found through using the human mating ritual, or flirting if you want to give it a name. This leads to the use of the legendary female intuition to filter out deception and overall mental health. One example of this is the good old adage  “he has a great sense of humour that drew me to him”. The sense of humour is a very good indicator of intellect and kindness, both of these are key survival traits for humans to this day. Evolutionary psychology cannot keep up with the advances and pressures of the modern world. You cannot reason away millions of years of development with rational arguments.    

 What we can do is accept the evolutionary requirement for homosexual individuals in society.

 In the millions of years when our ancestors struggled for survival on a daily basis, your chances of survival were firmly linked to the strength of your social group. This group would be based around the immediate family, the extended family and then those with which we have a wider trust, lets call them friends. The generally accepted number for these groups is I believe set at one hundred and fifty (known as Dunbar’s number I think). Not everyone in the group can be hunter gathering or pregnant, or nursing at the same time. As a society, it would be in the greater interest of all if some individuals were not encumbered by paternal responsibility but were free to assist in other activities. They would still have to form close bonds with individuals within the group and would no doubt be appreciated. There is currently a theory that holds water for me that the sexual orientation of a child is dictated by the mother in gestation. It seems that the second and third born sons have a 33% chance of being gay over the first born son. For girls, it seems that the first born daughter is statistically more likely to be gay (I may be wrong on this one so don’t quote me). It would be of great advantage to have some members of the family helping to take care of siblings and other tasks in and around the wider group. The clincher for me was the study of historical records from the occidental exploration of the world by mainly Europeans under religious control. Virtually all indigenous tribes encountered had a healthy acceptance of their “Gay” members and they were frequently found to be venerated as Shaman, mystics and law keepers. It makes sense that in the evolution of our species, the knowledge of the “tribe” could be carried by those who did not have any parental responsibilities at all. Perhaps, all of our problems lie not in the existence of homosexuality but rather the lack of understanding of the role it may well of played as a strategy in our success as a species. Nothing in evolutionary terms exists and persists by accident. It’s like the “seven year itch”. Seven years is the term of romantic deep love between a man and a woman. In evolutionary terms, it is the exact time it takes to mate, give birth and then raise an infant to a state of independence.
The main issue is one of context. In the modern world with it’s comforts and convenience, there is no defined role left in our tribe for those who very much had one of high value in our very, very long past.

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July 8, 2021 1:10 pm  #30


Re: Do Gay men keep nude pics of other men on PC if not gay?

Lynne, what I meant was you can't use the plasticity of the brain to make a person stop being transgender.  If they are they are.  Can a person be made to believe they are transgender, yes I think you're right in that, we are so easily influenced, but they still are what they are.

Longway - why do you not believe the numbers are a lot bigger than generally assumed?  I know I only have my personal viewpoint but that is what I see around me, more MOMs than straight marriages.  OG has told us the statistic is 10% - I don't believe that statistic is accurate.  I think it is much more.  as well as what I see, my logic tells me it's only mathematics as our gene pool becomes increasingly complex, along with the rest of life.

I think there's a lot of instinctive behaviour as well as what's learnt.  Testosterone is a powerful thing - depends on the person's nature as well the influences they come under.
 

 

 

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