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March 16, 2017 7:40 pm  #11


Re: So my wife is coming out as a lesbian...

I agree with the previous posts.  Maybe you  can split amicably but I don't think  it's wise to rely  someone being on their best behaviour in a divorce.

 

March 16, 2017 10:16 pm  #12


Re: So my wife is coming out as a lesbian...

Zenslug,

Usually though the cheapest option as you wrote, and my lawyer recommended for me, is "status quo" . You say stay in the home as usual, you pay the bills as usual, you get to see the kids each day (without having to pay for 2 places).    As you said, her getting a  good job helps you and everyone in a divorce.
Note she is also entitled to and gets half of the debt.

Status quo is a good option if you have the strength and a kind spouse.  Strength because maybe she will bring girlfriends home or at the very least you are the babysitter while she is out on dates.  It's cheaper life but not an easy life...   Plan your exit and life as you and your wife live as roommates.   

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March 18, 2017 12:40 am  #13


Re: So my wife is coming out as a lesbian...

we told our son tonight. i let my wife start out since it was more her news to give. when she said we weren't going to stay married he was very subdued and only said, "why?" my wife said it was because she had told me she was gay and his only reaction was, "okay."

afterward we both said all the right things to him about it not being his fault and how we still loved each other and both him and his sister and nothing was going to change right away and how we would be putting their needs at the forefront during the whole process.

he has been quiet ever since, but is still somewhat engaged and talking about wanting to do all the things we had planned tomorrow. i feel like i'm waiting for the other shoe to drop but so far the reaction has been very calm and kind and tolerant. i am hoping this means we have raised him right and he is going to be okay.

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March 18, 2017 3:22 am  #14


Re: So my wife is coming out as a lesbian...

Hi Zenslug - I just think I ought to point this out  - your wife tells your son that you are not staying married because she told you she was gay.

Is that true?  Would everything be fine in the marriage just as long as she didn't tell you?  

I'm sorry, it sounds like one end of a long line of spin that makes you the one at fault.

Finally letting you know what the problem is isn't the problem itself.  and I think it can only help your children to know the honest truth about their family so I encourage you to talk to them.  I can tell you love them a lot.  It can only help to hear from you.

 

 

March 18, 2017 7:46 am  #15


Re: So my wife is coming out as a lesbian...

Zenslug, 

I'm glad it initially went well.  It sounds like you have a very loving and open household.  I think it's a positive thing your son is looking forward to tomorrow and things you are doing.  Your son can teach all of us! 

Forgive me Zenslug, but I think there are some on this forum that are reading and thinking this story to be unbelievable. Most of our experiences have been the complete opposite.  It is everyone's nature here to be protective and "warn" because most of us have been through hell with our exes.  It's entirely possible you won't have the same experience; the only thing you will share is that your spouse is gay and you are divorcing.

For what it's worth, I believe people can live this way, but our current climate in this country seems to be anger and finger pointing. When you say you raised your son "right", you are correct.  It sounds like you and your wife raised your kids in an accepting and loving environment.  Unfortunately due to your wife's past traumas, she wasn't living authentically.   It appears she is now, and I hope for you and your kids that this openness leads to only a good ending of your marriage where you can continue to co-parent in a loving way. 
I posted a link a while back on a conscious uncoupling seminar I had downloaded.  The concepts are probably foreign to most who are in the eye of the storm, but mostly it's about respecting what you had and letting each other go.  Especially when kids are involved, it's really important to know that at the end of the day the two of you are their parents for life, and there's a relationship there, good, bad or indifferent.  So many people walk around carrying anger and bitterness for so long, it begins to affect their lives like a dark, hooded cloak over time.  It sounds like you have worked hard in your life to not have those thoughts take over. 
Keep the lines open for your teenager to hang out with you and do things you would normally do.  Hang out together with his mom, just the two of you, and give him his freedom to do what he needs to do right now. If he knows he has the opportunity to ask questions, he will.  You may need to mention to him that he can ask you anything he wants, even though it may be obvious.    Have you told your 6 year old yet? 

I think what you two are able to do is beautiful.  Hoping you can keep the peace throughout the divorce and the life ahead of parenting your kids. 
 


“Above all, watch with glittering eyes the whole world around you because the greatest secrets are always hidden in the most unlikely of places.”
 

March 18, 2017 8:58 am  #16


Re: So my wife is coming out as a lesbian...

maresyd wrote:

Zenslug, 

I'm glad it initially went well.  It sounds like you have a very loving and open household.  I think it's a positive thing your son is looking forward to tomorrow and things you are doing.  Your son can teach all of us! 

Forgive me Zenslug, but I think there are some on this forum that are reading and thinking this story to be unbelievable. Most of our experiences have been the complete opposite.  It is everyone's nature here to be protective and "warn" because most of us have been through hell with our exes.  It's entirely possible you won't have the same experience; the only thing you will share is that your spouse is gay and you are divorcing.

For what it's worth, I believe people can live this way, but our current climate in this country seems to be anger and finger pointing. When you say you raised your son "right", you are correct.  It sounds like you and your wife raised your kids in an accepting and loving environment.  Unfortunately due to your wife's past traumas, she wasn't living authentically.   It appears she is now, and I hope for you and your kids that this openness leads to only a good ending of your marriage where you can continue to co-parent in a loving way. 
I posted a link a while back on a conscious uncoupling seminar I had downloaded.  The concepts are probably foreign to most who are in the eye of the storm, but mostly it's about respecting what you had and letting each other go.  Especially when kids are involved, it's really important to know that at the end of the day the two of you are their parents for life, and there's a relationship there, good, bad or indifferent.  So many people walk around carrying anger and bitterness for so long, it begins to affect their lives like a dark, hooded cloak over time.  It sounds like you have worked hard in your life to not have those thoughts take over. 
Keep the lines open for your teenager to hang out with you and do things you would normally do.  Hang out together with his mom, just the two of you, and give him his freedom to do what he needs to do right now. If he knows he has the opportunity to ask questions, he will.  You may need to mention to him that he can ask you anything he wants, even though it may be obvious.    Have you told your 6 year old yet? 

I think what you two are able to do is beautiful.  Hoping you can keep the peace throughout the divorce and the life ahead of parenting your kids. 
 

we have not told our 6 yo yet because it was too late when we finally picked her up from the play date we had arranged last night. not knowing how our son might react (he tends toward angry reactions these days) we thought it best for our daughter to be elsewhere just in case. we will tell her this morning.

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March 18, 2017 9:04 am  #17


Re: So my wife is coming out as a lesbian...

jkpeace wrote:

Zenslug,

Clearly, you are aware that more emotions are likely to come.  Acknowledging that you're "waiting for the other shoe to drop":  you know this is just the very beginning of your children's journey of accepting that their family will not be the same.

You had to tell your children, and I'm thankful you began with the truth.  There is no way this road will be smooth, unless everyone involved suppresses their feelings.   A divorce, alone, is tough news for all involved.  Your children (& you) are also having to come to terms with the orientation of their mother.  Orientation is not the problem, but they didn't know...you didn't know.  Only your wife knew.  She wasn't ready to accept it, but she knew.

I remember trying to find books that might make this understandable to my children, at their various ages.  There are quite a few books about having 2 gay parents.  That situation is not the same.  In those cases, everyone knew.  No one person's coming out is breaking up a family.  They are the same family that they have always been.  I have a friend who has a son.  She is gay and raising him, since a baby, with her female spouse.  Their cute little guy (age 4) has always had 2 moms; that's all he knows.  That's different.

Divorce & family separation, new parent orientation disclosed, realizing that a parent has not been honest (with others and with herself)...that's so much for a child to handle, especially a teenager.  Plus, being a teen is hard, all by itself.

I would caution you to Not say, "Your mother and I raised you right.  You are handling this with such compassion.  We are so proud of you being so accepting."  That would be a comment very appropriate to finding out that a friend or sibling is gay.  Finding out, for the first time, that your parents have been in a gay/straight marriage, with one parent not knowing:  That is not the same.  The comment "we raised you right" (which I know you have not said aloud) could cause a processing child/teen to be hesitant to share any possible struggles.  Something more appropriate to say would be, "I'm sure you have concerns or questions.  This is a big change in our family."  Then, when your children are ready to talk:  listen, listen, listen.

IF anger is expressed, that needs to be acknowledged as normal and healthy, in this process of change.  If depression becomes apparent, that would be normal (& may need professional help; for one of my teen sons, that has been the case).  If sadness is expressed, that would be an expected emotion.  Staying calm, with no questions or concerns, would not be a normal processing...but, this journey has just begun for you.

If everything goes lovely and smooth, I'd be concerned.  There is no way a person can handle divorce or family separation or news of a parent being gay or realizing that you didn't know something very core to a parent without some pretty tough emotions emerging.  Our children seemed "fine" for the first couple of months.  That changed.  Hopefully, all will be fine.  (The latest thing to come up here is my oldest daughter, almost 22, being newly and quite adamantly against ever dating or getting married.  That is her choice, of course, but this is a new revelation from her.  It's not her choosing, as a strong woman, to be single.  It's her, coming from a broken marriage, not having a positive view of a marriage commitment).

I have 2 email friends, whom I've not met in person, but "met" after reading their story of being a straight spouse.  They both have families that seemed to have handled this well.  However, reaching that point where they feel that all are doing well has taken years and years.  This is a marathon.  Take care of yourself.

Keep posting.  I'd sure love to hear that you are moving forward and handling this in a positive manner.  We can all learn from each other.  Hearing from a family that can manage this with compassion, amidst the struggle...that is something I'd love to read.

that is very good advice about how to word things with our son. we definitely don't want to react in a way that rewards him for burying feelings or emotions instead of dealing with them. thank you very much for pointing out that danger so we can look out for it.

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March 18, 2017 9:59 am  #18


Re: So my wife is coming out as a lesbian...

lily wrote:

Hi Zenslug - I just think I ought to point this out  - your wife tells your son that you are not staying married because she told you she was gay.

Is that true?  Would everything be fine in the marriage just as long as she didn't tell you?  

I'm sorry, it sounds like one end of a long line of spin that makes you the one at fault.

Finally letting you know what the problem is isn't the problem itself.  and I think it can only help your children to know the honest truth about their family so I encourage you to talk to them.  I can tell you love them a lot.  It can only help to hear from you.

 

it was a strange choice of words, i agree. actually i think the exact words she used were "i have FINALLY told your father that i am gay." in retrospect that wording leaves open in his mind the possibility that this is something she has been acting on secretly for years but has only just now told me about. that is NOT the case and we owe it to him to clarify that fact over the coming days. my wife has assured me that she has not had an affair and has chosen to come out now because she did not want an affair to be the way our marriage ended.

we have been down that road before. about 13 years ago my wife had an affair with a man who she met through a work training retreat. it was hard to recover from that but we both worked very hard at it for many years and the trust in our relationship was rebuilt painstakingly. she knows how much that hurt me and did not want to ever do that again. i think the lessons we learned from that time have served us well this time around, even though the situation is obviously different. communication is the key. loving and open communication without judgement. that is how we hope to weather this new and different storm.

wish us luck!

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March 18, 2017 12:18 pm  #19


Re: So my wife is coming out as a lesbian...

jkpeace wrote:

Zenslug,
You sound like an extremely thoughtful and understanding man.  Remember to take care of yourself, too.  As you know, your children are watching.  They need to know that it's important to take care of themselves.  They will learn that (or not learn that) from you.  You deserve as much care as anyone else in your family.

If your little one is anything like my little one, who was 8, when told.  He listened for about one minute and then said, "Well, ok.  Can I go play, now."  Not being dismissive, there have been some bumps in the road for him, too; so far, this seems easiest on him.  Horribly painful for the teens and older one.  We are trying to learn from all of this.  

she had so many questions. there was an hour long conversation about things like, "will i still have my same toys?" and "will i still have my same friends?" and "will we have to get a new house?" we tried to honor each question and answer as honestly as possible without talking too much. she said if we have to move then she'd like to try to find a place with a swimming pool because that would be fun for her. after a long family walk with the dog she has now settled down to watch a movie.

i am taking care of myself and will be doing my first local Straight Spouse support group meeting in a few hours. i am looking forward to connecting with other local people who are and have been going through similar things as what i am experiencing right now. at the same time i know every situation is different and i am also worried about exposing myself to negative energy from people at the group who have had a different and maybe harder experience.

i have enjoyed the range of experiences and advice i have received here and am also impressed by the mutual respect you all show each other even though each of your situations are different. i am hopeful that i will find the same type of mutual support from the in-person group. maybe someday in the not too distant future i will find myself in the place of offering support to others the way you all have been able to do for me.

for now i can only live one day at a time and will try, when things get hard, to picture the faces of my children and remember how important it is to become a strong and healthy and happy person that will be able to be there for them.

<3

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March 18, 2017 12:27 pm  #20


Re: So my wife is coming out as a lesbian...

zenslug, big hugs to you and your family. You're doing great.   Keep in mind you are your own person too, separate from being a Dad and Husband.  We often get lost in taking care of others and forget ourselves.  Part of this is really looking at self-care and well being on our own.  It's a big journey, and we will be here for you.  I hope you can connect with some people in your area for support.  In the meantime, there are several of us on these boards several years out (for me, 16 years) and we are here because we want to give everyone hope that life can and will be better.    


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