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February 2, 2017 10:03 am  #1


After 2,700 miles, 12 states, and 7 days I entered hell

I will try to keep this as short as possible. 

I am a native Californian who met her SO last year in March at a health conference. The connection was instantaneous (even though the running joke is that I was trying to ditch him initially haha). I had just stopped dating for a while, kind of sick of the games. This man captured my mind first, then my heart. And I him. 
Since a couple days after we met, we talked on the phone EVERY day for 1-3 hours. On the weekends we would sometimes talk for hours about everything under the sun. 

I thought, finally. Have I found the one for me? 
It would have appeared so, but we all know how long distance can shield the other person from so much in the other partner's life. 

Only two weeks after moving to my new home in Atlanta with him, it came out that he had struggled with his sexuality back in his 20's. He was raped repeatedly by his brother when he was very small, abused by his father throughout his whole life (physically/mentally), and mercilessly teased and humiliated by so many people in his life/in school. 
I knew that this has carved him into a very unique individual who needs so much loving and care, and for me being a rape survivor (2x) myself, I know this better than anybody. 
But I caught him looking at porn, and also engaging openly in the ftm community even when he knew me. He lied and said that was all from so long ago. The longer we live together, the more I find out, and the more terrified I have become. He loves me so much, that much is evident. But because of his past, I think he has become warped in thinking lying is acceptable. 

My worst fear now is that he will be unhappy in our relationship, and 10, 15, 20 years down the line he will come out to me and say I am not enough for him. I know he would try and go about it the best he could...but I also know that the more comfortable men/women become with their partner, the more likely they will be to be completely open and honest. He already told me that he had never planned to tell me that he thought he was gay. 

Our sex life has it's ups and downs because of his being really overweight and hormones out of whack, and also my inability to accept pleasure and love. We both have emotional stability issues. But I am the only one going to therapy right now, and my trust in him has suffered SO badly these past five months. I almost walked out that day I found that FTM stuff on his person, and that scared him..realizing that I was damn serious. 

I don't want to set him up for a life of heartbreak. Please help!  

 

February 2, 2017 11:37 am  #2


Re: After 2,700 miles, 12 states, and 7 days I entered hell

Hi larssongirl - Your story was feeling different to me (with all the years of childhood rape and things he shared before hand).  Typically the guys/girls we hear about on this site use sexual abuse as an excuse after the fact to try to throw us off and many times we find out they lied about the abuse as a way to deter us from the real truth.  But your story was starting to sound a bit different - like he really did have issues stemming from a life of abuse which might make him do things like look at strange porn, and which meant you might have a chance with intense counseling, UNTIL I saw the sentence toward the end of your story that said: He already told me he never planned to tell me he thought he was gay.  And herein lies the problem.  He already knows it, he's trying so hard not to be, but he knows.  As much as you love him it will be best for you both to cut ties now.  He needs to come to terms with the fact that he's gay.  That will never change.  Regardless of the fact that it could have stemmed from the abuse as a child or not, you're setting yourself up for years of lies and heartache.  That's my 2 cents - I wish I had something better to say about the whole thing, but I don't.  Many of us never got the satisfaction of an admission of being gay.  We wasted years trying to connect the dots and many (like myself) to this day are still wondering why they won't admit it.  As difficult as it is, be thankful that he's admitted it.  It takes a lot of wasted years out of the equation. 

We have a member named Kel who can comment on this situation better than many of us.  Her ex also suffered horrific and repeated abuse as a child. 

I wish you luck on your journey.  I'm sorry it took you so far away from home.  Keep reading.  You will find help here.

 

February 2, 2017 11:52 am  #3


Re: After 2,700 miles, 12 states, and 7 days I entered hell

larssongirl,

Welcome to the place no one wants to be.  But you've found an excellent forum to help you through your issues.

The paragraph of yours I want most to address is the one where you say that you're worried that 10, 15, 20 years down the line he will come out to you and say you're not enough for him.  That's not likely to happen - because they tend to NEVER come out to us. And no, they don't tend to get more honest the longer we've been with them.  They have to keep up the status quo.  He's clearly excited by gay stuff (to use the term loosely), and you're not a man.  Or a tranny.  It's not even been a year and you're already seeing evidence of him looking elsewhere for sexual fulfillment, and lying about it.  How is any of this likely to improve as the relationship looses its freshness?  He's not being honest with himSELF, hon.  And because of that, he can't be honest with you.  Being gay isn't an option for him - he doesn't like that option, for whatever reason.  He doesn't want to be gay.  But it keeps pulling at him anyway - because he's gay.  None of this is going to clear up and go away.

Now,.... I'm not trying to make your guy out to be evil or anything like that.  He's in denial, though.  So he's going to keep you off-balance too - until he figures it out.  Which may just be never.  I know you love him.  And he loves you.  But that's not enough.  For an adult relationship to work long-term, it takes more than just love.  It takes common lifestyles, goals, etc.  Even arranged marriages take this into account - it's always been the case.  The relationship should work on all the different levels.  If it doesn't, it's not the relationship for you.  Not as easy as it sounds, I know.  But we really need to stop thinking as a culture that we owe it to this person to make this work when we're not even married to them yet.  The period before marriage (ALL of it) is to see if this is the right person.  If he's into guys and you're not a guy, then he's not the right person for you.  Even if a ton of the other buttons are hit.  It's the BASIC button.  Without passing that one, nothing else is a go.

Kel


You are not required to set yourself on fire to keep other people warm.
 

February 2, 2017 12:08 pm  #4


Re: After 2,700 miles, 12 states, and 7 days I entered hell

Welcome larssongirl.  I'm sorry you find yourself here.  It's a miserable place to be when you find yourself questioning your partners sexuality and how your life will be in the future because of this.   Be assured that you have found a good place.  We have a lot of members with a lot of unique experiences who will surely find similarities to share and have great advice to offer you.

Don't ever feel the need to be brief.  Just the act of sharing is incredibly good therapy and we all know this.. so write as much and as often as you wish.  

Regarding your situation that you shared..  You said your worst fear is that he will be unhappy in your relationship in 10,15,20 years..   My fear is that YOU will be unhappy in your relationship.  
A trait in nearly 100% of the members of this forum is that we gave ourselves fully, with love and compassion for our spouses.  We put aside our own desires to make the best of our marriages/relationships.  Unfortunately our spouses weren't honest with us about their own sexuality or gender identity and therefore were selfish.  

Perhaps I didn't understand what you wrote.. but it seems like you are worried that you will let him down.  From what I read, it sounds like he is the one with the issues and you are the one most likely to be let down.   Did I read that wrong?   

It sounds to me like you both have a lot that you need to talk about.  The fact that he has opened up to you about some of these issues is a gift.  It means that you can be honest with each other and communicate and decide how to proceed.   Consider getting a councilor or therapist to help you with this. 


-Formerly "Lostdad" - I now embrace the username "phoenix" because my former life ended in flames, but my new life will be spectacular. 

 
 

February 2, 2017 12:42 pm  #5


Re: After 2,700 miles, 12 states, and 7 days I entered hell

So sorry larssongirl,

I will say this..  you say he has a lot of secrets or stuff from his past.   I will say I knew my now ex wife most of my life. met in college...it didn't seem to make a difference.   She's had a female friend she's known since grade school...I never saw anything wrong with their relationship  (her friend is married also).
I never saw this gay secret coming,,
All I'm saying is don't beat yourself up for discovering your friend's past or not knowing things.     As for breaking up...no matter how much it costs you to move there and be with him; a divorce or breakup later will always cost more .
Don't use your move as a justification for staying with him.    The porn and that community you mention do not sound good.   The stress from not knowing and not trusting can eat you up.   If you find yourself snooping (and you should snoop if you dont trust him) you need to ask yourself why you have to snoop.
Don't be desperate or accept bad treatment..too many of us are wondering why we did that now.
 


"For we walk by faith, not by sight .."  2Corinthians 5:7
 

February 2, 2017 3:05 pm  #6


Re: After 2,700 miles, 12 states, and 7 days I entered hell

larsongirl, 

The thing that touched me most in your post was..."I don't want to set him up for a life of heartbreak."  What about YOU?  

All of us are saying in one way or another that he likely does know who he is.  He just won't admit it to himself.  Yes, it's sad, and yes, he's been through hard times, but so have you.  

The real issue is what you are both willing to do about it.  You have taken steps to see a therapist, heal from your own wounds, and learn more about what you are willing to tolerate. 

One of the hardest things, I think, that our group struggles with is lack of love in our relationship.  We tend to question everything and every piece of beauty that comes at us.  With you being a survivor of SA, I'm sure trust is a huge issue for you, as well as fear.   But you are brave, and you have identified the problem and are working on it, for you.  

I think it's so easy to fall in love when you find a real connection with someone, especially after trauma like many of us have had.  We crave connection, being understood, being loved.  Because of that, anytime anyone shows us affection and love, it's like a fresh rain on our face, washing away the dirt that has piled up on us over the years.  
It's so hard when this happens, and the "truth" comes out.  It's a truth many of us never hoped or dreamed would be true, but it is true.   He said to you straight (no pun intended there) out that he never planned on telling you he thought he was gay.   How scary that must be for him.  I'm sure he does love you. Perhaps because he can be himself around you.   But it begs the question, can you be yourself around him?  Can you ask for what you want and receive it?  Even if you do feel love for him, it doesn't mean you are responsible for him or his issues.    I heard that over and over in your words, that you don't want him hurt, or alone, or heartbroken. 
I can safely say none of us here want that for you, and for me personally, I don't want that for your boyfriend either.   You both deserve a relationship in which you feel love, trust, and safety to be your authentic selves. 
Hugs to you. 
 


“Above all, watch with glittering eyes the whole world around you because the greatest secrets are always hidden in the most unlikely of places.”
 

February 2, 2017 4:32 pm  #7


Re: After 2,700 miles, 12 states, and 7 days I entered hell

I echo what everyone here has said about you putting him before yourself.  So many of us feel that's what we should be doing when we love someone.  I get that.  But you need to go into a relationship with your eyes wide open.  People aren't objects, be we might be better off if we could liken them to objects when it comes to picking them out.  If you were willing to spend a LOT of money on a car, would you give that money for a car that had issues with the engine, the brakes, the transmission?  No!  Now, if you were only investing a little bit, you might be able to do that - because you'd have the money to fix the car.  Or you'd have not enough in the first place to buy anything better.  But you wouldn't give everything you have for a bad deal.  People are like that.  We may connect with them, we may feel badly for them for what they've gone through.  But you don't have to buy the dang thing if it doesn't fit your needs!  If you take the word "gay" out of this (trying to determine if that's what he in fact is), then you're left holding the bag of having someone who's already looking at porn and lying about it.  Is that the kind of marriage you want?

My ex was severely sexually abused as a child.  Third world country - repeatedly raped by adults in the orphanage he was in, among other things.  This kid was starving, living in poverty, and being raped daily.  For YEARS.  And I felt really badly for him.  I felt like I needed to be there for him.  To prove to him that people weren't all bad.  That someone COULD stand by him and never intentionally harm him.  It kept me (along with not wanting to break up my kids' home) from leaving - for over a decade.  I knew he had limitations, and I didn't expect him to do what other healthy men did, sexually.  But then over time, he did less and less of the normal stuff, and the problems got even bigger.  The frequency went down to nothing.  He wouldn't perform oral.  He wouldn't look at me during sex.  He wouldn't touch me below the waist.  It got worse over time, NOT better.  Because after all, I was accepting what little his was giving me (by staying).  Meanwhile, I was practically invisible.  He never complimented me (except to say "hi, blue eyes"), never pursued me, never.... SAW me.  And although my head told me "It's not his fault - he was abused.", my heart said, "I'm so lonely! Why am I so rejected!  I'm so hurt!!!"  And I couldn't make that stop.  He wasn't interested in fixing the problem.  And so I realized that staying with him wasn't healing him.  It wasn't fixing anything.  It was just letting him be comfortable with his issues.  And then one day, I couldn't do it anymore.  And I asked for a divorce.  It would be another two years until he admitted to being gay.

You can have compassion for someone without marrying them.  You owe it to yourself to choose someone who is healthy emotionally - because you simply CANNOT have a healthy relationship where one person is unhealthy.  And then your life is as f'd up as that person.  Your kids grow up in an unhealthy environment.  And all you have at that point is admiration for yourSELF for being such an upstanding individual for sticking it out.  THEY don't give you credit.  Eventually you realize that the only person really pressuring you to stay in this relationship (besides them) is YOU.  And you aren't getting enough out of it to keep requiring that of yourself.

Run like your hair's on fire, sister.

Kel


You are not required to set yourself on fire to keep other people warm.
 

February 2, 2017 9:27 pm  #8


Re: After 2,700 miles, 12 states, and 7 days I entered hell

WOW. I never expected anyone to reply to this...I have felt so alone out here in a place where I know no one and don't know how to find anything. By the grace of God I found a loving and kind therapist, but that is about it. 
Thank you for not minding my verbosity! 

I think I am brave enough now to actually talk to him about all of this. It's so important that I communicate this with him now, and not wait till later. What sucks is that we have been having such a great week and I don't want to spoil it. But at the same time it just tears me up inside that I am dealing with this all on my own. I look so much more haggard than I did when I arrived here from California. 

I AM concerned about his welfare, but I am concerned about mine as well. I have always been the lamb on the altar in my relationships. I was raised in a very strict, Christian household (almost to the point of control freak Christianity) and the woman/man was supposed to accept the other's faults and work through them no matter what. I have heard of plenty of people who have had bisexual relationships, but I am worried that he may be leaning more gay than bi. If it was bi, I may be able to handle it. 
I took screenshots of what I found and hid them in four separate places on my person. He already had gotten into my computer and deleted all the things I had found in his history the FIRST time I found stuff. He hasn't been active on those communities on Tumblr or Instagram in a long while since meeting me. I found a couple of pictures of females he had looked at (FTM) and saved to his flash drive when we were seeing each other. 

It gets worse. 

I also found files in the basement of young males giving him blowjobs. They didn't look really recent, but they didn't look super old either. I would guess by the clothing of the subjects early 2000's, maybe 2005-2006. Which would fit with the timeline he presented me with. The thing is that they look really young. And he was in his late 20's by that time. So there is that. 

He also has files on his old CPU. At least 40 of them, all filed neatly by name. Naked, semi-naked. Some with him in them, some of them not. He has already thrown a lot of his things away. Didn't notice that I knew he threw them away. What gets me is that he wiped the devices he knew I had hacked, wiped them clean and stuck to his phone and Macbook like flies on horseshit. (can I cuss in here?)

What breaks my heart is he was the one who started talking about getting married, having kids. He wants this so badly. We were talking about it over dinner and I just wanted to scream at him, It's never going to happen you LIAR. I have never been both so angry and so depressed in my entire life. This has brought back some serious PTSD I had from a previous relationship that completely altered my life and how I saw myself. That one happened AFTER the rape. All of this has caused me to have two breakdowns and a mini seizure. I really do think that because of everything that has happened to him that he developed into a sociopath of sorts, because he has trouble showing true remorse and he lies constantly about things. 

How do I even BEGIN to approach him about any of this? 
I have no where to go, and my job doesn't pay me enough right now to supply me with a safe living space, food and necessities. And my dog is very ill and old. 

     Thread Starter
 

February 2, 2017 10:36 pm  #9


Re: After 2,700 miles, 12 states, and 7 days I entered hell

larssongirl,

Your story gets sadder...so sorry.   Start taking steps to distance yourself from him emotionally. You already did some by finding a therapist.   Some here would say "run like your hair is fire"..  but that is not always practical financially.    Take small steps each day for yourself... always forward..    It may take time but it all adds up eventually.   Even if you have to save dollar a day...its a good start..moral and true.

Last edited by Rob (February 2, 2017 10:36 pm)


"For we walk by faith, not by sight .."  2Corinthians 5:7
 

February 2, 2017 10:47 pm  #10


Re: After 2,700 miles, 12 states, and 7 days I entered hell

Be careful. It sounds like this might not be the best time for disclosure. For some of our spouses protecting the secret was more important than anything else including their partner. If you have decided you want out, quietly start an exit plan. Always have an escape route ready. Take care!


“The future is unwritten.”
― Joe Strummer
 

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