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January 5, 2017 9:10 am  #11


Re: Need to detach. It's been a year

Jacquelinet2525 wrote:

PS. Question- tomorrow when I respond, do I do so in this box, or is there a way to answer under each person's individual post? Thanks!

You can respond to each post individually by clicking the "quote" link to the bottom right of each post.  You are welcome to do that as many times as you want and you can offer a unique reply to each post if you like.  There are no space constraints on this website.. Nobody cares if you post 10x in a row.   This is about all of us helping you and helping each other and helping ourselves, so don't worry about anything of the small stuff. 
 


-Formerly "Lostdad" - I now embrace the username "phoenix" because my former life ended in flames, but my new life will be spectacular. 

 
 

January 5, 2017 11:02 pm  #12


Re: Need to detach. It's been a year

Hi Jacqueline,

Wow.  And holy shit!  I've read some bad stuff on here but your story just about takes the cake!  I'm so very sorry you're here.  You're right - the whore comment would have been the nail in the coffin for me.  And I understand that sometimes there are reasons we stay.  Healthcare is a very important one.  But grown children and concern for their holidays are not. The younger ones will understand or grow to understand.  That said - if you need to stay while you get healthier and stronger then by all means stay while you plan your eventual exit or a separate life under the same roof if that's what you decide is best for you, but why on earth would you have ever contemplated having sex with him after you found out about all of the homosexual encounters?  I never found out about any encounters (only gay porn, naked pics, and dildos) and yet I still ended up with an STD.  From this point forward, there is no reason to have sex of any kind with him.  As an ex boyfriend of mine used to say about his thug brother: believe half of what you see and none of what you hear.  I guarantee that what you've found is only the tip of the iceberg.  The fact that he's told you there were two men most likely isn't even close.  I've been coming here for probably, idk, six years now and time and time again we see that what we've been told is only the very bare minimum to satisfy our questions and keep us from asking more. 

Hang in there.  You sound as if you've gained your strength from this last episode and from the support here.  Keep that up.  Stay if you need to stay with him for now and leave when you're ready.  Just know that what he's done is truly a "10 out of 10" as your counselor put it.  I'd call it a 12.  We're here for you.

 

January 6, 2017 12:09 am  #13


Re: Need to detach. It's been a year

Sometimes we need a third party to hear our story and then we realize we're not crazy and we have put up with so much.  I wouldn't call my psychiatrist  compassionate or even empathetic  (I call her the pill lady)  but one day after she listened she said "your abused".       I also read , in my lawyers office,  the pamphlet for battered woman;  I could check off almost all the abuse points..almost all of them short of "does your spouse beat you?"

I would say everything your doing is proper and wise..  Its about gathering strength and being kind to yourself.  Its about facing reality ..one cannot simply ignore the things our spouses did..   Our distrust is real and genuine...some here call it our gut, our instinct;  its our mind and body telling us something ..trying to protect us from harm.    That our spouses should not be the ones inflicting emotional or physical harm on us  is a good starting point.

a warm e-hug.


 


"For we walk by faith, not by sight .."  2Corinthians 5:7
 

January 6, 2017 1:00 pm  #14


Re: Need to detach. It's been a year

Yes!  Isn't it great what happens when you find out there are not only "others" out there like you but thousands of others??  It kind of makes you step back, grab your thoughts, and the next thing you know you're saying: awww hell no!  I wish our old forum was still up because there were so many great conversations that happened there - dating back for years.  It was a wealth of knowledge to draw from.

Continue to say hell no to his nonsense.  It's actually none of his business what the final straw was.  Its none of his business if you want to change your mind 86 times on what the final straw was and then go back and change it again.  It's also none of his business if you want to run through the house naked whilst eating a cookie.  He's had 27 years to do what he wants.  It's your turn.  Take your time, feel NO pressure, and make yourself happy.  

The time has finally arrived when YOU get to secretly plan.  He spent his days and nights secretly planning hook ups and texting.  As a normal, sane person, you can now choose to spend your time planning for your future.  And no, it's not sneaky, it's survival now.  Start researching health plans and jobs (if you're able to work).  Start researching the finances (if you're not already familiar with them).  Do it in private browsing incase he's watching.  It's truly none of his business.  He's made his choices - don't let him con you in to thinking anything is any of his business from this point forward. 

If it helps, when I look back I have no idea why I did half of the things I did either.  People would ask me "why did you do xyz".  When faced with more and more gay porn and more lies I kept believing him when he said he would stop if it bothered me.  I wasted probably five years on believing lies and then more time wasted after finally getting out since I didn't finalize the divorce until a year after that.  I had to leave behind a really good healthcare plan, but thankfully my employer has one that is semi-decent. 

Go to a place where you can clear your mind and just think.  For me, it was taking walks or sitting outside.  I did this for months.  You don't have to make any decisions right away.  And you might even make one decision today and then a week from now change it completely.  that's ok.  It's all part of the process and you get to pick the answers.  And nobody needs to know until you're ready.

 

January 6, 2017 4:56 pm  #15


Re: Need to detach. It's been a year

Jacquelinet2525 wrote:

This group has been a game changer for me. I'm amazed at the strength i feel now after only a few days.

This group has been a life saver for me as well.  No doubt!   I'm glad to hear that you are finding some relief from being here.  Please continue to use this resource.   You will find in time that you feel better not only from receiving the help and support, but also giving the support.  

If you are convinced that staying in a married, but platonic relationship is best for yourself and your kids, then you have my support.  I can completely understand the health and security and financial reasons. 

I will continue to challenge you.. if nothing else.. just to make you consider a few things to think over in more detail and if your mind isn't changed, you will at least have more confidence in your decision.. which is a good thing. 

Are you sure staying in a bad marriage with a cheating husband is really the best thing for your kids?  This is a frequent point of conversation on this forum.  I think the natural instinct of a parent is to endure hardship in order to protect the child.  We think that keeping status quo is best for our kids..  just don't disturb their life..  right?   But having been on this forum for 6 months and reading a lot on the internet, I'm so sure it is the best thing.  Sometimes it takes hard lessons in life to produce the best results.  A lot of women on this board talk about wanting to teach their kids first hand how to be a strong person, stick up for themselves, be honest, set boundaries about what is right and wrong.  Would you want your children to stay in a marriage like you are in?  Or would you want them to do the hard thing now so they can be happy for more of their life?  Don't you want to teach them to set boundaries in their own lives and show them not to accept a dishonest and cheating spouse?  

I had an assumption that my divorce would be easier on my kids later in life.. So I thought that if I could figure out a way to stay married for another 10 years until my youngest was out of high school I would be the champ and a great father and all that stuff..   Based on what I've been reading, my assumption was dead wrong.  It turns out that the younger the kids are, the easier it is for them to endure a divorce.  The older.. the harder..   I can't prove this of course.. but that's the conclusion I've come to after a lot of reading and study.     So are you sure waiting for your kids to be out of the house will make it easier on them?

Even if you are not having sex with him, are you sure he is a safe person to live with?  He's clearly willing to lie to you about relationships, but where does that stop?  Will he lie about money?  What happens if his secret life is revealed through someone else.. will he go crazy?  Will he throw you under the bus to make himself look better?  Are you positive he would never abuse you physically?   Are you willing to endure years of emotional abuse that will take more years to recover from?   What if he runs into legal issues from his actions?  What if those legal issues impact you or your finances?   What if he gets AIDS and the medical bills destroy your finances?  What if he loses his job because of his dishonesty?

I'm throwing a lot of "what if" questions at you.  Again, I don't mean to sound like I'm trying to change your mind.  I'm just bringing up what I've heard happen to so many other people on this site.  I just want to help you think about this from all angles and consider all options. 

Please ask your Dr. what living under extreme emotional stress can do to your health over the next 5-6 years?  Please wipe away your assumptions about what is best for the kids and family unit and start from a clean slate and really think about things deeply.  Are you sure that teaching them to be a doormat to a horrible husband is the way they should live their life?  I completely understand sacrificing yourself for your kid's sake.  It's a wonderful intention and you deserve sainthood for it.  But make sure that you don't find out later that you only harmed yourself and your kids might have actually been better off otherwise. 


Please do see the Dr.  Please stop having sex with him.  Please keep coming back here and sharing and asking questions and thinking about these hard situations.  None of us are professionals, but we've been through the war you are fighting and know what it's like.  So we all want to help each other. 

 


-Formerly "Lostdad" - I now embrace the username "phoenix" because my former life ended in flames, but my new life will be spectacular. 

 
 

January 7, 2017 5:44 pm  #16


Re: Need to detach. It's been a year

I am an over thinker and a slow mover too.  I took around four years before making a final decision.  Most of the posts you're reading on here are from those who already took years to think.  You're doing just fine!!  xoxo

 

January 8, 2017 8:38 pm  #17


Re: Need to detach. It's been a year

Jacqueline, 

It sounds like you've put a lot of thought and consideration into your decisions so far and I think you are doing fantastic given such a difficult situation.  I stand behind you fully (for what little that is worth).   

Please continue to consider all of your options and make sure you give yourself an opportunity to change things if you feel it's necessary.  Learn as much as you can about the laws in your area and make sure you have control and access of necessary finances and protect your kids.  Hopefully you won't need anything and things will go smoothly.  But it seems like it would be smart to know your options and be prepared to take action if necessary. 

I agree with the idea of moving slowly and thinking through everything carefully.  I just don't want to see you put off happiness and risk your health. 

Keep sharing and talking and learning and talking to us here..  We can all learn so much from each other..  We are all stronger together.  


-Formerly "Lostdad" - I now embrace the username "phoenix" because my former life ended in flames, but my new life will be spectacular. 

 
 

January 10, 2017 10:44 am  #18


Re: Need to detach. It's been a year

Yep, I sure have felt that way.  Mostly because he passed on herpes.  So I have to tell every potential long term boyfriend I'm with BEFORE we even get physical.  My biggest fear was that no one would want to be involved with me.  The very first time I had to explain it I cried through the whole explanation.  To my amazement, I was met with: well, my ex wife had it and we were married for 12 years and I never got it so don't worry about it.  Wow.  I didn't expect that but I was so relieved.  In the last five years I have had three serious relationships.  I also informed two other potential serious "candidates" about my issue but those relationships weren't pursued for other reasons.  None of them thought a thing of it.  To me, that's odd, because if it were me, I'd probably run.  I think guys are more open to that (plus it's way easier for a female to contract an STD than a male).  I've found that those who are serious about wanting to find their true partner aren't scared off and those who are just out to mess around will run off.  I only had one of those and he was way too young for me anyway

Moving on and finding a new relationship is hard.  But I'm realizing that at my age (44) everyone and I mean everyone comes with their own baggage.  Remember that there are lots of men who have been just as traumatized as we have by the opposite sex. They are scared about venturing out too and they have no desire to  hurt anyone as their wives have hurt them.  You might have to make you way through some bad dates, but there are good, decent people still out there.

 

January 11, 2017 8:06 pm  #19


Re: Need to detach. It's been a year

Still Wondering, thanks for giving everyone hope.  I've made myself through a lot of bad dates and questioned my ability to attract good and decent men into my life.  


“Above all, watch with glittering eyes the whole world around you because the greatest secrets are always hidden in the most unlikely of places.”
 

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