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hi everyone, i am new here
could use some good advice about wheter or not to tell my kids ( 20 yrs , college, 16 yrs at home), about the discovery of my husband of 30 years cheating with men for at least 20 years.... my H and i are in counceling, also individual, and he says he really wants to stay with me, and will never do it again. he does not want to tell the kids, because he is still totally in the closet about being Bi ( or is it gay i wonder) and thinks it is too much for them to know. we live in a small village and if we stay together i would not want the village to know eather, but keeping this a secret to my kids is very very difficult as i am a very open person normally. would love some reflection and feedback. ps i really do not know if i can stay with my h, but for now we are trying. thanks !
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emma, I'm so sorry you had to go through this. I don't live in a small village, but aside from that your experience is very similar to mine.
I don't think there's a one-size-fits-all response to the question of whether to tell your kids. I can tell you how I ultimately came out on that question.
It's not at all uncommon for us to make follow-up discoveries after the initial realization. In my case, at a certain point I understood that his double life didn't just affect me, it also affected our daughter. For example, when she was around maybe 12, she came to me and confided that Daddy had pictures of penises on his desktop. I'd brushed it off as being his silly sense of humor. But kids shouldn't be lied to, about anything, ever. I ultimately came to understand that this lie couldn't withstand scrutiny as she grew older. When I did finally tell her, I also learned that she'd seen texts on his phone that she couldn't make sense of -- but she'd kept them secret from me. This is not the dynamic of a healthy family.
When I realized she'd have to be told the truth, she was in her senioir year at college. I told my husband that she'd have to be told, and that if he didn't do it I would, but it would be better coming from him. I also told him he'd have to wait until after her graduation. I think the deadline I gave him was probably around three weeks after graduation. Naturally he didn't do it, so I did.
However you decide on this, I wouldn't treat your two children differently -- if you tell the older one, please tell the younger too.
Also consider this: if you tell them, you control the message and the timing. If you don't tell them, they're still going to find out, but it could be in the most shocking and devastating way, and at the worst possible time. You'll have to answer for a different betrayal: why did you know all along and not tell them? So I'm pretty much on the side of having no secrets within the family, and FWIW I'm against burdening your kids with things they can't discuss with their own friends and support networks. If you're planning to stay with your husband in your current location, this is something you need to think over. I'm glad you have counseling.
I know I'm strident sometimes, so I try to tone it down here, but we will support you here in your decision.
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Of course he doesn't want your children to know, and of course he wants to not break up his family. You're his heterosexual safety net.
If your r'ship with the 20 year old is a good one, with easy communication.... I'd definitely tell him/her. Just be prepared for questions you should answer OR a silence that may go on for a while.
Elle
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Hi emma,
Welcome, and I'm sorry your here.
It's hard to imagine that your kid at home doesn't already know or strongly sense that something is going on with you & your husband. Seems to me that it's healthier to let both kids know you're in the process of figuring out your marriage than to make them wonder what's wrong. You (with your individual therapist) are the best judges of how much to tell them - whether you stop with "marriage problems" or let them know what kind of marriage problems.
After my GXH came out, it meant divorce, without question. I didn't tell anyone he was gay (except my therapist) until we told the kids. It was important to me that they not hear it from anyone but me. When we told the kids about the divorce and the gay, I also told them that they were free to discuss it with anyone they wanted.
BUT - I live in a big city in a gay-friendly neighborhood. I want to make sure that I'm not relating my story without recognizing that there are very real safety issues in many places in the world. Safety for your family matters a lot, so that's a consideration, too.
The small town factor and the possibility of staying together definitely adds a challenge to your situation - as if it weren't challenging enough! Hope you find some solid ground to stand on as you decide what's best for you & your kids.
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Emma,
I would be deeply distrustful of your spouse's vow "never to do it again." He was having having sex with men behind your back for twenty years. How likely is it he can and will stop?
A closeted man's first loyalty is to his closet, not us. We are of use to them as beards, but our well-being is not even a close second to their desire to retain their closeted status. They will sacrifice us to their closet.
His desire for secrecy now is at odds with his prior behavior. Think about this: your husband was out there for (at least) twenty years having sex with men. How did he find these men? He was presumably on publicly available dating sites or making contact with his partners is public places, and his risky behavior means he could have been discovered at any time. For him to now proclaim that he doesn't want your children (or anyone else) to know is self-serving--and it preserves the status quo, which makes it more difficult for him to actually follow through on his promise not to do it again.
Our spouses have spent many decades learning to live in the closet, and part of what enables them to do so is that they derive a benefit from doing so. They can have their cake, in the form of their hetero seeming lives with their wives and children and families and of all the societal benefits that (still) come with heterosexuality, and eat it, too, enjoying the pleasure of their extramarital sex with men. Our role and use to them is in maintaining that double life--we are one of the benefits of their deception.
More importantly, he is asking you to enter into his closet with him and live there. I can tell you from experience that living in someone else's closet is psychologically, emotionally, and socially damaging. I lived in my ex-s closet for eighteen months after disclosure. Over the course of that time it was as if oxygen was being slowly sucked out of the closet where I was shut in, and I was suffocating. Additionally, I walked through my life as if in a transparent and movable closet. I looked out of it and it came between me and the world in every single interaction I had. I was suffering, but my ex did not care about my suffering, because my continued suffering benefitted him. In fact, one of the things he said that finally made me decided I had to leave was that he said to me, "I wish I hadn't told anyone." When he said that, I realized that he would have been just fine with keeping me in the dark and living his secret life for the rest of my life, even though his secret and his secret life had warped our marriage for over thirty years.
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Thanx you so much for your replies ! I appreciate it so much !
What to do if i would split up with my h and he stil refuses to tell the kids ? If i would end up telling them is That not outing my h in a bad way ? My whole village would know and my h would probably end up very mad .
This coule also potentially be harmful for my children . I an just so sad and confused as I also really do not know if my h is really BI or just pretending … I found out a year ago but is is still so very confusing . Would love to hear also how your children reacted and how their contact with their father is now . Thanks so much for any information
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emma wrote:
.....If i would end up telling them is That not outing my h in a bad way ? My whole village would know and my h would probably end up very mad .....
Yes be ready for his anger. Anger is a tool men use to keep us 'in our place'. Don't let him do that!
Telling your children why you're leaving their father is not "outing him in a bad way"
....it's being honest. Also you don't have to focus on him as much as saying why you are unhappy,
why you think it best that you separate. Age-appropriate language and explanation
Many young people are attune to the tensions between their parents also. It may help them to know why....
Elle
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Bi or Gay certainly adds to your confusion, but all you really need to know is that he's been cheating with men. That's enough - you don't actually need an accurate label, and he might be unable to provide you with one anyway. Some straight spouses are of the opinion that labelling himself "Bi" is the way that a closeted gay man makes it ok in his mind that he was married to a woman.
My opinion - if you split up, you have every right to tell the kids whether he wants to, or not. If your husband being mad is the worst thing that might happen, so be it. Again, I'm assuming you'll be physically safe.
After my husband came out, I realized that what was happening to my family was MY story, not just his.
It's really, really common that those of us married to closeted gay men are accustomed to accommodating their selfish selves, giving up bit by bit the things that we want and need in a relationship in order to keep the peace. Be on the lookout for your instinct to not make him angry - it's a great way for him to manipulate you (this was my experience).
My kids are young adults, and we told them about the divorce and the gay at the same time. The divorce piece did not surprise them. I have been very honest with them about my experience with their dad, and how I was manipulated and cheated on. I didn't tell them everything all at once.
I feel like I would be remiss in my duties as a mom if my kids remained in the dark about what he's done to me. After what I've been through with that guy, I'm fully in favor of telling the truth, and that means sharing my story with my kids.
Both of them have found a way to have a relationship with him. It appears to be a very superficial relationship; that's the only kind of relationship he's capable of. I see him a couple of times a year if there are major family events, for the sake of my kids.
I'm glad to hear you have your own counselor. A important warning about couples counseling - someone who is capable of 20 years of secrecy and cheating is accustomed to manipulating people. It is not uncommon for a person like your husband to learn in couples counseling what he needs to say in order to manipulate you. What might look like him being honest and/or open to change might just be him telling the counselor what he thinks the counselor wants to hear. Your individual counseling is way, way more important for you at this point than couples counseling.
I'm wondering if focusing on your kids and their relationship with their father and how he might react is a way for you to avoid thinking about how hurt you are?
When you write about your husband being mad, and that being potentially harmful for the children, are you just talking about him being emotional, or are you at risk in some other way?
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Emma,
Your kids are 16 and 20? Im in the minority here but I still feel all kids just want to know,when the parents split up, how will it affect them. If they ask you can tell them but really they are probably more worried about where they will live and can they see their friends and what about college etc. I could be wrong.
My kids are older now and doing great. I dont bad mouth their mother..they know we dont talk. They have a relationship with me and her. I dont think they care anymore why we split and me sharing how much she hurt me and screwed them financially will not solve anything in their lives at this point. They get a happy mom and dad..well im happy and stronger anyway.
In regard to the whole thing...20 years of cheating and lying is hard to suddenly stop. The problem with these spouses is they are naive and arrogant...even if he absolutely stops the anxiety and fear you have of him doing it again will never go away...these spouses fail to realize this or I feel, simply dont care. I dont understand what proofs a spouse could offer that they will never cheat again? All access to their phone? A tracker on their car and phone? But what kind of marriage is that...
Wishing you strong resolve and stoicism.
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