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Going to try and make a very long story short. Both in our mid 20s and together 2 years. Not married but definitely in love and the person I wanted to spend my life with. Lots of talks about starting a family soon. Now, i’ve always been non-judgemental towards sex, and down to try mostly anything once (within reason..). I told my partner this in the beginning, and I fear it just opened the floodgates.
Awhile ago he had opened up to me. It was a confusing and emotional conversation for us both. I felt extremely bad that he had been keeping this a secret. He didn’t come out and say he was gay but he might as well have. It sounded like he was deeply in denial and I felt horribly for him. Said he’s hooked up with men once or twice in the past. I told him I will always be there for him as a friend, but I couldn’t be in a relationship with him if he was going to be exploring his sexuality or sleeping with other people period, regardless of gender. He cried and said he should’ve never told me, swore that having me was more important than any of that, he only wanted to be with me. I still had my doubts because I didn’t want to keep him from exploring things he obviously had interest in, I knew it was a big desire and probably couldn’t be ignored for long. But I love him so much and wanted to make it work. Plus I thought maybe it was a porn addiction as well.
So we stay together. Our sex from here on out gets more and more demanding. From the start, I would say he was always hyper sexual. Though in the beginning he would always struggle to finish, I thought maybe he was insecure because that’s happened with men I was with in the past. We would usually have sex 3 times a day on average. It was always a little kinky but its just gotten more and more over time. He had been asking for a long time, before the “confession” to be pegged, which I always told him I didn’t really want to do. Finally after months of begging I gave in, I was scared he would look for it somewhere else so I might as well try and see if I liked it. And omg I hated it. It was so weird. Wearing the strap make me feel so masculine, I was holding back tears the whole time. I finished the job and ripped that strap off of me, I never wanted to see it again. I told him I probably wouldn’t do that again, I was fine with anal play but I just couldn’t do the strap. Didn’t stop him from begging more and more. This is where it really got out of control.
From here on out, I can’t remember the last time we had “normal” sex. He came up with this “fantasy” he believed that I had. This fantasy involved multiple men sleeping with me, while he watched and jerked off. He specified they had to be only the “biggest” we could find. He begged me to try it with him. He promised me luxurious vacations on the one condition that we act like “sluts” together when we go away. I begged him to stop asking me but he was convinced I wanted this. It was to the point where he had to bring up this “fantasy” to finish during sex. I just wanted my boyfriend to love me and not beg to see me with other men. I told him if I acted out this “fantasy” I would end up hating myself. He never stopped asking. He would try to catch me vulnerable, while drunk and super horny, and try inviting people over the house to try it with. He would tell me that he knew I wanted this. I really didn’t.
So then he tells me he’s planning a solo trip because he’s depressed. I tell him immediately I’m uncomfortable and bring up what I believe he’s going there for. He denies denies denies. I straight up confront him and say I think hes gay, which I have done before. He refuses to admit and just says I shouldn’t bring up things against him that he’s trusted me with. After the solo vacation I broke up with him. I couldn’t take it anymore and I’m tired of living in confusion. Not to mention he has given me and STD before, luckily one I could get rid of. This is what sparked the original conversation about his sexuality, so I know in my heart where the STD came from even though he STILL denies it was ever his fault. I just couldn’t risk my health and sanity anymore no matter how much I love him. I’m just feeling so lost cause I never got a straight up answer. And I’m still worried about him being alone, I don’t want him to be depressed. I can’t tell if it’s his sexuality or he’s just a sexual deviant. It’s like he was just into everything. I don’t know what to make of it. Any advice or insight would be so helpful!
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Wow this is a big wake-up call for a woman in her 20s...a woman who can definitely see (and feel) the conflict between loving a man and being uneasy about the ways he wants you to express that love.
I remember one time my former partner asked me to anally use a toy on him. I just couldn't do it. It made me feel, well, sick to my stomach. I had spent years wanting to please him and he exploited that love by focusing on his needs.
Once I'd said "no!" that time it became easier to express my feelings about the stuff I didn't like.
We place so much importance on being the women men want us to be that we end up losing who we are. And really...once you give an inch to a bi/gay-in-denial man he'll take a mile, and then he'll expect you to walk that mile in slutty clothes with promises to love you forever if you just do what he wants.
So Munchkin.... Stand tall, breathe deeply and decide once and for all where your boundaries are. Find yourself before it's too late and you're married, with babies.
Edited to add .. who cares if he's a sex addict OR gay in denial? What matters is you and how you feel..!
Elle
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Wow I feel like that part of the post really hits the nail on the head. I feel like I am being so caring and compassionate towards all of this, and he is doing exactly that, exploiting my love for him and seeing how far I will go. Any hesitation I show towards it, he will throw a fit and cry saying he should’ve never told me these things.
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Glad to hear you have broken up with him, good for you - he sounds like he's both gay in denial and a sex addict. He sounds like he's highly manipulative and selfish to a degree.
Wanting to be pegged indicates he is a submissive gay man doesn't it?
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The sexual fantasies you listed don't sound deviant to me. He likes anal play and cuckolding fantasies - these are very common among all men (straight, gay or bi). He does sound like a potential sex addict. It feels like he is putting sexual pleasure above your feelings and your relationship, as well as above basic social conventions - no matter how "slutty" one is feeling, one should never make other people uncomfortable or manipulate anyone into having sex. Mutual consent has to be of utmost importance. It also appears that he is not entirely at peace with his sexuality - be that gay, bi or straight - until he sorts himself out you will never know, and his sexual behavior will remain compulsive.
Additionally, some people just aren't built for monogamy and this also isn't deviant, even though you can't relate to it. Frankly, I can't relate to it either, but it still doesn't make it deviant.
If your views on sex and kinks don't match his and he continues to ignore what you really feel and think - I don't think there's a strong basis for a happy future together... sorry...
And please please pleeeeaaaseeee never ever ever do anything that makes you cry, particularly in sex. Some women really enjoy the feeling of power when pegging their partner, some really-really don't. You don't. "No" is a perfectly reasonable answer to this or any other kink. Be kind to yourself.
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Munchkin, There must be a ‘playbook’ out there, the script is familiar. Your story has a lot of similarities with mine I don’t believe in diagnosing/labeling, unless you are a professional.
My supposed hetero male partner, revealed after 15 yrs together, during sex when he had difficulty performing that he was “maybe gay”. Explained had adolescent gay sex & loved it. This was news to me. After he said that, he brought up his anal sex toys, that I didn’t know he had, and explained he wanted me to use these on him. Of course I felt uncomfortable, but complied with his instructions. Told me I should get a strap on. From then on, our normal way of sex started changing. Entire focus was being submissive, being a woman, wearing lingerie during sex, uttering was a queen, a slut, majority of anal play and entire role play.
Little satisfaction on my part. There was a period of sexual craze on his part after years of little sex. Later I learned he also watched TG porn in private.
Sure, supposedly he said I was his girl, one and only, important to him. Yet he was seeking other friendships, when he decided that he was MTF, after changing labels multiple times. I had 2 episodes of an STI, and he adamantly denied being unfaithful. A year later, he confessed that he did have sex w/ women and a MTF person. I was to blame for the demise of our relationship as I didn’t get a strap on and didn’t like/ and didn’t do anal play correctly. He also used this sudden depression thing, when he sensed I was going to leave.
Other tactics were manipulation, gaslighting and blameshifting. Like you, I believed..this person needs to be happy and live their true sexuality, whatever that may be. Even though he didn’t want to lose me, I had to sever our relationship.
Elle is right, what a wake up call. It’s a shock and unbelievable, isn’t it! It will take a little time to get over this mindf@ck experience. Is he GID or a sex addict? Who cares, he’s not for you if he doesn’t care about your feelings, is defensive and uses manipulation and gaslighting. Sending you a hug.
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Norah, I am shocked by how similar your story is to mine! Before I found this forum, I truly believed that no one else had gone through what I just have. Even the part about him giving you an STI! Is this common? I knew when he wouldn’t admit to the STI it was because it had come from a man. Did you stay for a long time after the discovery? I kept trying to make it work, thinking if I made him feel comfortable and satisfied enough, that he would stop with the endless lies. Maybe the lying and having a secret life is apart of the thrill for him, but I don’t think he will ever stop lying.
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Munchkin, Most of us thought we were alone going through the mind boggling experience, until we tried searching for answers and landed on Our Path formerly Straight Spouse Network. It is the only place that is supportive where people that have walked in your shoes understand.
A lot of us have had ‘gut’ feelings something was off and/or noted changes of behavior. Some of us had to resort to checking phone records etc when all we received from our spouse was denial. Some of us haven’t had proof.
I also tried to support him during his sexuality confusion. How long did I stay? Too long. We had a house together, I bought him out. I did the No Contact. Until he weaseled his way, by crocodile tears, remorse and desperately wanting to be ‘just friends’ due to history etc. Eventually he manipulated his way into more than just friends and slowly the emotional abuse, gaslighting, drama and defensiveness started again. All while he acted like a crazed teen on HRT and became a “woman”, self obsessed and self absorbed. Still secret life like being on a dating site. Enough of the crazy train.
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I hope some straight men weigh in but from what I understand being pegged is not something a straight man wants anymore than a straight woman is going to want to do it to him. I don't think it's something to be taken lightly, there are profound emotions involved.
and cuckolding? for heaven's sake. I can understand a gay man liking that fantasy on the basis that it brings another man into the bedroom but a straight man? if he loved his wife wouldn't it be very painful emotionally?
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lily wrote:
I hope some straight men weigh in but from what I understand being pegged is not something a straight man wants anymore than a straight woman is going to want to do it to him. I don't think it's something to be taken lightly, there are profound emotions involved.
and cuckolding? for heaven's sake. I can understand a gay man liking that fantasy on the basis that it brings another man into the bedroom but a straight man? if he loved his wife wouldn't it be very painful emotionally?
I apologize to the OP as her question really wasn't about how common the pegging or cuckolding fantasies were, but I would like to respond.
Let's not speculate, Lily. If you would like some statistics, consult your local sexologist or a sex therapist. I have.
Here's some statistics from Bedbible.com on cuckold fantasies:
-35% of men are either “interested” or “very interested” in trying cuckoldry
-6 out of 10 men have fantasized about it whereas only 3 out of 10 women have
-Searches on “Cuckold” on porn websites have increased by 57% in the last 3 years
Here's a CNN article with some stats:
On anal play:
- 44% of men have had heterosexual anal intercourse ( (HAI)%20is%20not%20an%20uncommon%20behavior%20with,in%20their%20lifetime%20(1).)
- 60% of straight men have fantasized about being on receiving or the giving end of anal sex while 40% of women have fantasized about giving anal sex to their male partners (see “Tell Me What You Want” by Dr. Justin Lehmiller)
This doesn't mean it is for everyone or that anyone should feel pressured to doing any of this!