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walkbymyself wrote:
. ,....You are hereby officially designated The Adult In The Room. .......If someone is single and wants to keep their gay identity a secret, it's their own choice -- but once you have a wife and FIVE kids, it's not "your" secret -- it's the family's own narrative....
Don't give him an out, give him a deadline.
Your advice is the best Walk. I know it comes from a place of strength. I think we all get to it at some point, that moment of separating ourselves emotionally from a r'ship... and focusing on those who need us
Elle
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Hi Eleanor,
My advice/story will echo others' in some parts but will be different in others. My husband came out as bi last December (I found gay porn), never cheated, never been with a man. You can read my story/posts in the MoM section.
He really wanted to stay together, and, after the initial shock, I also wanted to give it a try. "Coming out" to people as a married unit was critically important to me - I can't/won't keep secrets. I gave him a 6-month deadline for coming out to family and friends and I said that I will need to share this with two of my own close friends and my therapist immediately. I lived under the burden of his secret for 3 months and it almost crushed me and was really bad for our relationship. Seeing how much I hated it, he accelerated the "coming out" process and offered to talk to the kids back in March. Our kids are 20, 17, 17 and 10. And I 100% agree with Walk, kids talk among themselves, and they absolutely knew something was up between us. Because we were not going to separate at that stage, our message to the three older kids was: "Dad has realized/accepted he is attracted to men. This has been part of him since teenage years, but he has been suppressing it due to societal pressures. He doesn't think he is gay, most likely bi, but he is exploring this part of him in therapy now". Kids were not at all concerned about his sexuality. They had lots of questions straight away and in the weeks after, but it went far smoother than either of us could have imagined. What they were concerned about is us. We reassured them that we loved them and each other and that we will be patient with our marriage and give it a chance for at least 12 months. This gave kids a timeline and some certainty. As this stage, 9 months in, our marriage is stronger than ever, emotional connection has improved, sex has improved, and we see ourselves going far beyond the initially agreed 12 months.
We haven't initially spoke to the 10-year-old as she seemed oblivious to the situation (the other three were clearly concerned about us), but I never made any effort to hide it from her either, so she must have heard some conversations or saw some of the books that we were reading. A couple of months back, she created a character in her computer game and when she was describing him to me, she said that he was bisexual. I enquired what she thought bisexual was and she gave me a pretty accurate, age-appropriate description. I thought this was a great opportunity to bring up my husband's bisexuality. She replied "yea, I kinda figured" and that was the end of that conversation. It was eye opening for me how easy kids approach this subject these days - quite refreshing really.
I am not going to preach giving MoM a try - it is the hardest thing I had to do. In the last 9 months, my Ego died a couple of times, and it hurt so-so-so much. You never go "back to normal" (aka to your past relationship) - it is gone. However, in our case, we are re-building something entirely new and it is very rewarding and a lot of fun. Right now, I am at a stage where I wouldn't want to go back to our old pre-disclosure relationship and the old me. If you want to know more - feel free to reach out over DM or read some of my other posts.
Good luck and stay strong!
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Hi Eleanor: One of the most important jobs for us as parents is to model healthy relationships for our kids to build upon when they become spouses and parents themselves. You've got a non-straight husband, so you've set yourself up for an impossible task on that front. It's better for kids to be from a broken home rather than to remain in one.
I hated the idea of being stripped of 50% of my time with my kids. This wasn't my fault, and it wasn't theirs either. It was the fault of their mom who lacked the courage to be who she truly is by secretly dragging me into her closet. However, it was also better for me to be an awesome dad 50% of their time rather than a suffering dad during 100% of their time.
Good luck. This is really, really hard. I promise you that life on the other side of the closet door is so, so much better, even though blowing the hinges off the closet door is painful as hell.
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Thank you all for your replies.
Elle and Alex, I like your idea of a deadline. I have talked with my close friends and he has come out (as bisexual) to a couple of his and to his siblings, but the kids need to know the truth, especially if we separate. He has not been ready to tell his parents yet, so he’ll have to do that before we tell the kids.
Blue bear, what you said about the kids getting a whole parent 50% of the time is better than a broken parent 100% of the time really resonates with me. It seems like it will get worse before it gets better, but I can imagine a more calm future where I don’t feel anxious any time he’s home and I don’t have to manage our lives around his mood.
I was just reading a post on the Reddit forum about how unreal this new reality feels. I think that’s part of why I have such a hard time feeling like separating is the right thing to do. When we’re apart, or when I look objectively at what he’s said, I feel like it’s obvious - he’s gay and this won’t work long-term. But when we’re together, doing family life, things can almost start to feel normal again, and I find myself feeling crazy for thinking about throwing it all away. It feels unreal. Or it feels like it’s all in my head, since he denies half of it now and maintains he is bi and wants to stay married. A mindfuck indeed.
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Hi Eleanor,
I’m just where you are in terms of my head knowing the marriage won’t work as my husband and I have such different sexualities at this point- & the long cozy history of making dinner together in our kitchen bringing comfort when we are together as a family.. I’ve been in an ambivalent place for 4 years since discovery, & while we’ve separated I’m not feeling resolution of the uncertainty and confusion.i think part of the difficulty is separating from this person who I’ve loved and raised a family with, and part of it is tearing up our home, family rituals, extended family relationships and 401ks. I really feel for (& with) you. I appreciate all of you offering hope who are further down the recovery road.
I love the thought that working toward a healthy situation for yourself will be most healthy for your children too, & model for them how to grow and adapt to life’s sometimes hard realities. I’m sure we would never want any of our children to someday stay in a relationship that depletes them, that undermines rather than builds their confidence.
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Eleanor and Jupiter,
Your these last 2 posts - I'm right there with the both of you. I'm nearing 6 years "since discovery" - I like how you put that, Jupiter. I now feel like I'm on the other side of something. During most of this season I wouldn't consider anything other than our nuclear family, but over the past year I've had thoughts about what would actually be the healthiest for us as a couple, and for our kids. It's very scary and painful, as I had to approach my wife a few weeks ago to tell her that I am considering options like nesting, and ultimately a peaceful divorce. She was devastated and is saying things now like her feelings have changed and that maybe she's not gay and that she wants me. It's hard for me to know what to believe. I'm really struggling.
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When I kept saying bisexual wasn't straight and he should have told me my ex did a complete backtrack. He said he was 100% straight and when I said but what if I don't think that, his reply was that would mean I must be mentally unsound.
That was when I knew I needed to get a divorce as fast as I could.
As far as I'm concerned, I look around me now and see the mixed orientation couples who have stayed together through thick and thin. Guess which one is crumbling first. I literally can't think of a couple where it is the straight who is doing well. I find it very upsetting, people I love caught in these marriages.
There's this couple I met socially. Before you know it she is president of the bridge club and we're all blinking at the way she bullies her husband and still at the same time she does a good job. She's funny. And the next thing you notice is that the exceptionally nice man who is her husband has been flourishing under it all - he's quite capable of turning the tables on her when he wants to and then, as the underlying feelings come to the fore you start to see such a different picture, they're in their 80's now and she complained about him mercilessly when he got sick we almost started to feel sorry for him again only now you can see how it works for both of them because she adores him, just as much as he adores her.
And I think it's this rich history of emotions that we just don't have without the mutual attraction - there's an emptiness left in my heart where inherently I expected to have an interplay of feeling.
As the straight spouse we are the one who is physically attracted, who has their soul on the line.
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Sonnet, it's not uncommon for our spouses to try to draw back and try to maintain the status quo when we move to end the marriage. Taking that big step into owning their sexuality is frightening for them, and when they realize that can't both take that step and have the marriage and our support as they always have, they panic.
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EleanorIsnthere - your story sounds very familiar. The GID Ex-husband is also a great Dad. There was no tension in our home. Kids were happy. The only person who became the sacrifice was me. Unlike you, I asked for an Open Marriage because I was tired of not being loved. But after a few years, I realized this wasn't for me. It was me trying to accommodate him and save my family! Also, I also knew my Ex-GID already knew he was having an affair with a man (he'll deny it to this day). Fast forward, I decided to get a divorce. We sat our Children down in August 2023 to tell them that we were separated and would eventually get a divorce (this was after we legally completed our Marital Settlement Agreement). Then we officially divorced May 2024. We continue to co-parent in the same house because my Ex also travels for work and he's been living in a separate room for over 4 years! We are 4-months Post-official divorce, and it is just starting to smooth itself out. Of course, my GID EX was a little mad at the beginning but he's getting over it lol. He's a great Father and would have fought with all his might IF I had tried to kick him out of our home. We both had lawyers, but we could communicate and work through the hard parts of the separation. This journey has taught me the importance of self-care and personal growth in the face of challenges.
I KNOW co-parenting in the same household will not work for many (he travels 60%). However, I realized that we have been co-parenting/roommates for over 4 years. Now I get to do it on my terms! Our kids are adjusting and we have real conversations with them on their level. More is caught than taught so I didn't want my daughter and sons to believe Mom and Dad living in separate rooms were normal. This is why I adamant that we should tell the children last year -2023! My GID Ex objected but I spoke with our then, marriage counselor. She recommended to tell the children the truth (on their level). However, I did not expose the reason for the divorce. But I will when they get older.
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Well done Gwendolyn. You sound quite rational (hard to stay clear minded in emotional, trying circumstances), and protective of your children without sacrificing yourself.
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