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February 13, 2022 8:27 am  #1


Something to laugh about…

Hi Everyone,

I know my life has been completely devastated by my husband of 33 years getting caught cheating on me with a man (and in such a next level way - it’s a long story), that have cried more in the past 6 months than I have in my 55 years. There have been times, though, that my wonderful friends and I have found to laugh at the ‘Jerry Springer Show/Lifetime movie’ that my life has become,, and it is such a good release.  I thought I would share a few of those things with you and invite you to share yours. I mean no offense to anyone in this, it’s simply a way to ease stress for a moment.

In my own situation I look back and say:
- I should have known that no straight man would be that obsessed with Cher
- now it makes sense why he wanted to watch men’s swimming and diving in the Olympics (tight suits & speedos) but hated the women’s.
- should also have occurred to me no straight man is spending hours a day on Facebook
- no wonder he wanted to see the Liberace movie so badly (and wasn’t uncomfortable watching it)
- his Amazon browsing history included endless views of tie boxes, matching bracelets and watches, an organization system for his shoes, mens compression shirts, nipple covers (not an athlete), a figurine of 2 men having sex (he said it was for a rainbow party), decorative orbs (for his apartment post split - not enough $ to pay bills but he bought orbs)
- he spent a significant amount of time on line researching if the bracelet should be worn on the same wrist as his watch or opposite- is this some type of a signal to other men that you are open to sex?
- his strict preference for certain types of shoes on women - this comes off as a bit drag queen to me

I know there are more and I will post when I remember. Take care everyone.

 

February 13, 2022 12:38 pm  #2


Re: Something to laugh about…

Thank you for sharing. Sometimes we have to laugh to keep from crying. I wish you all the best.

 

February 13, 2022 6:38 pm  #3


Re: Something to laugh about…

Can't_Make_This_Up, I am with you!  There are moments that I just laugh at the absurdity of it all...the craziness. For crying out loud, his favorite movie is,"Mamma Mia" and he dreams of opening a bed and breakfast! I think sometimes that if I would tell people the whole truth, they might say,"You've been watching too much of the Lifetime Channel." Then I would reply,"I thought I signed up for the Hallmark Channel." So, I wrote two jokes for myself and when things get too much, I think of them and get a chuckle.

Some people get divorced because they want different things; my husband and I are divorcing because we want the same thing. WINK!

I lost 210 pound in 2021!!! (insert applause - how?) Well, first, I lost 40 pounds and then I got rid of my 180 pound husband.

You're not alone. I want off the crazy train.

 

February 13, 2022 11:36 pm  #4


Re: Something to laugh about…

I think laughing about the FML absurdity of it all is a necessary (for many) part of the healing process.
The bracelet thing is interesting...I've not heard of that one...The one earring thing is a common gay-on-the-prowl signal. 

 

February 13, 2022 11:52 pm  #5


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Anyone familiar with the song “Blasphemous Rumors”? It frequently pops into my head when I start thinking about life. I’ve caught myself switching between tears and laughter when I take note of the ribbon of irony that seems to be so seamlessly sewn into my life. Here’s a couple examples:

1) I dated a young man briefly before I met my husband, and I left him because I very quickly began to notice signs that he was into sissification (dressing and/or acting like a little girl, I didn’t have the word for it then, but it weirded me out). I then met and married a very masculine/normal young man, who I later came to find out (after we married) had the exact same fetish! What are the odds?

2) The year I got married, I was also officially diagnosed with infertility (after a couple years of trying for a baby and several early miscarriages—silver lining: Years later, I now have 2 awesome little boys). That was also the year I found out my husband had a ABDL fetish (specifically, he liked being the ‘baby girl’ and wanting me to play ‘mommy’)... as you can imagine, that was NOT a good combination for my mental health at that time, very much like pouring salt in a wound. But you really can’t get more ironic than that! You want a baby? No problem! Your husband will gladly fill that role! (WTF?)

3) All the kink stuff went away before we had our first kid. I just had our second in December. Between my husband’s apparent disinterest in the idea of intimacy (to the point of even seeming bored and annoyed when I tried to go down on him... seriously? What kind of man doesn’t like getting blow jobs???) and ending up with birth injuries that may or may not require surgery, my self esteem and sense of femininity were already shattered... and as such, life decided to throw me a curve ball. The fetishes (specifically cross dressing) are back! But now they aren’t fetishes. They’re part of his identity and not something he can happily live without. So now, atop everything, my husband is girlier than me... and apparently his sex drive is directly linked to his ability to express his feminine side. (i.e. It apparently 100% doesn’t matter to him what I look like, I’m not the thing that gets him hard... his lacy panties and nail polish are. So naturally, now that he has them, he wants sex again!) ———The timing is seriously always so bad that I have no choice but to laugh at it. “I think that God has a sick sense of humor.”


Sorry if that’s a little bit darker humor than you were hoping for... but as some comedian (I forget which one) said: “You have two options, laughing or crying.”

 

February 14, 2022 11:46 am  #6


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Hopeless Romantic,
     I know the feeling of "how can this be happening again in my life?", as well as the way it feels when your husband appropriates femininity for himself and gets off on himself. 

  My ex's declaration that he was a "woman in a man's body,' as well as the other things that came out of his mouth--"I have a little girl inside who was never allowed to come into being"; "I am many women--and men--inside"; "I might have DID" (dissociative identity disorder); "People like me are an evolutionary advance"--were so irrational and so far from the logical man I knew (we both have PhDs) that I thought he'd lost his mind. I grew up with a bipolar father who had paranoid delusions (he thought "the kooks" were after him and hiding in the house 24/7), and who would not admit he had a mental problem, and my then-husband reminded me of nothing so much as my father when he was in the grip of his delusions.  "What are the odds this could happen again to me?" is exactly what I would ask myself.  

   When my heretofore unremarkably male husband announced out of the blue that he was "a woman in a man's body" his first declarations were of the sex he wanted to have--the first hint that he wanted to be a woman because he is turned on by himself when he's dressed in women's clothes and acting out girly stereotypes--and the first thing he said about what he wanted sexually was "I'm a masochist. I want to be punished."  The second thing was "I want to be penetrated; I want to play the part of a woman."  It took me a while to see I was a mere prop in the play he was scripting to give himself, the main character and protagonist, pleasure.  I was nothing more than an object to be employed to get himself off and to validate his belief he was a woman.

  As bad as this was for me, I cannot imagine what you, with two small children, are going through.  That your husband ramped up his activity while you are healing from birth is beyond horrific.  That he wants sex from you now because he's turned on by himself shows what his priorities are.  Salt in your wounds, indeed.   I think that in a post on another thread I said that indulging him sexually would cost you psychologically down the road.  (It did me.)  Please protect yourself and your children.  
 

 
   

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February 14, 2022 12:31 pm  #7


Re: Something to laugh about…

OutofHisCloset wrote:

Hopeless Romantic, 

  This declaration that he was a "woman in a man's body,' as well as the other things that came out of his mouth--"I have a little girl inside who was never allowed to come into being"; "I am many women inside"; "I might have DID" (dissociative identity disorder); "People like me are an evolutionary advance"--were so irrational and so far from the logical man  I knew (we both have PhDs) that I thought he'd lost his mind. I grew up with a bipolar father who had paranoid delusions (he thought "the kooks" were after him and hiding in the house 24/7), and who would not admit he had a mental problem, and my then-husband reminded me of nothing so much as my father when he was in the grip of his delusions.  "What are the odds?" is exactly what I would ask myself.  

  

OutofHisCloset,

I can’t even begin to imagine how you were able to listen and deal with him saying those things;  they are irrational almost to the point of being comedic in themselves. I think the thing that really gets me with mine is how *almost* logical he is about everything, while at the same time displaying double standards galore. He doesn’t claim to be a woman, understands that biologically he is a man, says that ‘it’s just clothing’ (lies! it’s cloths and grooming habits and mannerisms) and he’s still my husband/masculine because he protects and provides (implying that it shouldn’t matter to me how he looks and acts).


I’ve got to say, a lot of what I’ve seen you write and how you think/feel resonates with me. Even when it’s not what I want to hear (we all want sunshine and rainbows, right?) I think frequently it’s what I need to hear. So thank you for that.

As far as our sex life is concerned, it almost feels WORSE than that. Basically the impression I got from talking to him is that he’s making an effort to be more amorous because he knows it’s something I want and need, and being able to express his feminine side (even if separate from sex) is the answer to how/why he’s capable of doing so now. So this might be me being bitter, but basically it feels like he’s appeasing me, like I’m a charity case.

Last edited by HopelessRomantic (February 14, 2022 12:33 pm)

 

February 14, 2022 2:45 pm  #8


Re: Something to laugh about…

Sex as appeasement...yeah, I get that, got that, too.  And there's something so demeaning in their needing to work themselves up to have sex with us, because it's not us they desire sexually, but themselves as women. As time went by, my now ex was less and less willing to "appease" me, which is what he considered PIV or heterosexual sex to be.  One night, in particular, he said to me, after a sex session (funny how sex with him then never felt like "lovemaking" but something more commercial) in which for once he didn't dress up in women's clothes, but did engage in his "feminine" behavior of lying on his back and drawing his knees up while sighing out "I need you to f*ck me," he actually said to me, "Was that hetero enough for you?"  It makes me laugh--and almost made me laugh, bitterly, at the time, even while I felt so insulted, as if he were condescending to me--charity case is a good way to put it. 

 Double standards and contradictions in logic are almost universal and everywhere you look in this experience, I've found.  

 

February 14, 2022 3:16 pm  #9


Re: Something to laugh about…

OutofHisCloset wrote:

  One night, in particular, he said to me, after a sex session (funny how sex with him then never felt like "lovemaking" but something more commercial) in which for once he didn't dress up in women's clothes, but did engage in his "feminine" behavior of lying on his back and drawing his knees up while sighing out "I need you to f*ck me," he actually said to me, "Was that hetero enough for you?" 

 

“Was that hereto enough for you?”

I’m with you on this one. That is an comically absurd thing to ask someone after sex. How are you even supposed to respond to something like that? And the thing with the knees, mine did something similar last week. He kept wrapping his legs around my waist/positioning himself so that I was between his legs while trying to initiate sex... and I swear the first time he did it I almost DID laugh. My initial impulse was to point out to him that this was backwards, and ask if he intended to try and f*** my belly button or something... obviously I didn’t do that. Then I saw that shy, coquettish look in his eyes and the realization that he was unconsciously playing the part of the woman -my role- hit me like a ton of bricks.

 

February 14, 2022 4:04 pm  #10


Re: Something to laugh about…

The thing is, the role they are playing comes straight out of porn.  It would be laughable if it weren't happening in real time to us.  What I in the end could not stomach was that his version of woman was misogynistic at its core.  Sissification depends on the idea that being "forced" to act like a woman is degrading because women are inherently debased.  

 

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