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April 12, 2021 11:01 am  #1


What is it like for you after/later/downstream/moving forward??

We all have come here for support. We read, we comment, we ask questions. We all follow a similar yet different path, and find meaning from this group in different ways. Some stay connected here, some come and go, and some are no longer here.  I learn from others, and I like to hear from others experiences. I have so many questions, but today I am most interested in what is it like, what has it it been like for you "after" as you move forward in life. What I am interested in, is where are you now and how did you get there?  Questions include, are you happy, at peace, how are the kids, did you move, change jobs, chase that dream that you always wanted but were held back by your GEX? Was there a magic moment, something that clicked and it all fell into place?  Are you still working on it, do you see prosperity ahead? I am not one to dwell on the negative, its been one heck of a year, I am looking forward to something different, but haven't found it yet. I am still working. 

 

April 12, 2021 12:08 pm  #2


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Before:  https://www.chumplady.com/2019/06/dear-chump-lady-my-wife-cheated-with-a-woman/

After:  https://www.chumplady.com/2020/07/one-guy-chumps-gain-a-life-story/

Now:  I think to some degree, I'll always be working on it.  I've been in a great relationship with a straight spouse with kids of her own for the last 1.5 years.  Not sure what your story is, but I could not imagine remaining with someone who didn't love me enough to reveal her true sexual orientation to me despite marching up to the wedding altar with me and having kids with me.  Willful deception of this kind and of this degree was not something I could (or should) overlook.  Stay in therapy, keep talking to others, keep seeking support.  The only way to get to the other side is to get to the other side.

Good luck.

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April 12, 2021 2:37 pm  #3


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JoeC wrote:

......today I am most interested in what is it like, what has it it been like for you "after" as you move forward in life. What I am interested in, is where are you now and how did you get there? .......

 

After? you mean after he told me that one day he may be fucked by a man? Well,  I'm almost 63...well-looked after by my partner so not looking to break up the status quo. There isn't much love, and no sex between us just f'ship but we manage to live together well. Both of us have been disappointed. I refuse to ask him questions anymore, I did it for so long and just simply won't go back to being that person. He doesn't appear interested in talking and I'd say he's retreated to the very back corner of the closet or he's just got better at covering up. I don't care. He's used up all the love I had for him with his sham, I'm not interested in finding another partner/provider/supporter either unless it's one of my children and if I ever leave to live with any of them I'll be a contributer to my/their life. 

There was a member here whose wife came out, both in ther 70s I think. She said "we can stay together but no more sex". I often wonder how they are.....

Elle
 

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April 12, 2021 3:33 pm  #4


Re: What is it like for you after/later/downstream/moving forward??

My life is very much still a work in progress after my divorce from my still-closeted trans-identifying ex-husband.

I am three years out from leaving (I sold him my half of the house), two and a half from finalizing the divorce.  Eight months after the divorce was finalized, I retired (my spouse and I worked together, and I retired two years earlier than I otherwise would, just to get away from him).  So in the space of one year, I both divorced and retired.   

As soon as I retired, I moved temporarily 1000 miles away to look after my aging mother for six months, and when I returned home to my rented apartment Covid restrictions hit, so I was locked in place there from March 2020 to March 2021 (I have had my two covid vaccinations by mid March this year).  The year of the Covid lockdown (I am over 65, so very careful) afforded me introspection and healing.  Currently, I am back at my mom's, to supervise her move to assisted living and cleaning out her condominium, for several months.  

 So a pursuit of a wholly "new life" has been in limbo, and moving forward into it--including house hunting and moving--has been put on hold.  However, in the three years since I moved out, I have gone through the grieving process, and although I have not surmounted all triggers (I do not talk to or see my ex), and there are stresses from family obligations, I have no regrets about leaving.  Living alone has been so much more peaceful and so much less stressful. I am able to direct my own life, and to make the decisions I need to make, instead of always reacting I can now take action, and the sense of freedom I have from no longer waiting for the other shoe to drop (my ex's next boundary breaking move) is palpable.  

  I am looking to move, and although not my plan, I may end up moving to the town where my mother will be in assisted living.  Not my first choice, but a compromise between individual desire and my sense of obligation and duty to my mother.  I grew up there, and although not the sleepy mountain town it was, I know and love the place itself (if not the presence of too many newcomers).

  My only regrets have to do with my son, who has not been told about his father's proclivities, because my ex is still in the closet, and I opted not to tell at the time I left.  (I did this partly because my then husband browbeat me and partly because I didn't want to derail our son, who I thought would likely react to the news of his father's trans identity with some of the same awful questioning of self that I did, and I wanted to spare him.)

No magic moment.  But I am financially stable and have, contrary to my fears about finances, managed well on what I have.  

One surprise: I had been married to my now ex for 35 years when I left, and had loved him for more than 40 years, but I find that in just three years he occupies almost no space in my mind.  I don't pine for him, or look back with nostalgic fondness on our time together.  I suppose the final awful years after the trans bomb drop are the touchstone for me now as I consider our marriage, and although I am still coming to terms with the full implications of having lived for over 30 years with a man with a secret, my thoughts are more abstract than emotional, and my focus is on identifying what in me I want to change or overcome, and not at all on him.  And that, too, is a surprise, because for the 40 years I knew him I was his emotional and psychological care-taker (and he liked it that way, as he liked me fixing my attention on him).  

  I doubt I will ever have another relationship; it if happens, great, but I am well into my mid-60s, so I'm not looking.  What I am looking forward to is integrating myself into a new community, making new friends and cultivating a social network (in person...), committing myself to new pursuits and doubling down on old ones. 

 I would have preferred to have had the husband I thought I had and the life I thought we could have in retirement.  But even before the trans bomb drop, my now ex was not an easy man to live with (although he had me believing I was the problem), and many times I have found myself almost grateful to him for freeing me from his unhappiness. 

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April 12, 2021 5:39 pm  #5


Re: What is it like for you after/later/downstream/moving forward??

I was unemployed when he announced that he was gay, wanted a divorce and moved out. I got a part-time job and then a full-time job that I had applied for came through but that didn't work out. I was 60+ and my attorney helped negotiate alimony until I was old enough to collect Social Security on his account, in addition to receiving one-half of his pension immediately which he had begun to collect. (The Social Security law has changed since but this has allowed me to increase what I will receive when I switch to my own account at age 70.)

My attorney assured me that I could afford to retire and focus on building my new life. I bought a fixer-upper home and hired contractors for major jobs and have done what I can myself. I chose a community where I knew no one and where I would not run into him but which meant I would have to reach out and make the connections that I had never had when I was living with him.

Covid has disrupted everything but my garden is thriving and I have managed to lose weight instead of gaining it while isolating. My ex and I communicate with our adult children almost daily through group texts but they understand that I have boundaries with him which they respect and help me enforce. I keep my private life private because it is none of his business.

He's too clueless to know that he is the inadvertent beneficiary of my happiness at no longer being married to him, but I'm okay with that. Life is good.


 


Try Gardening. It'll keep you grounded.
 

April 13, 2021 6:38 pm  #6


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My late ex-husband never admitted to being gay. I saw one Facebook post 18 years into our marriage that hinted at him having sex with a teenage boy, but he denied it.

I ended the marriage, or ran from it,  due to years of his horrible abuse and threatening behavior.  Calling 911 finally for help was the best thing I could have done.  His arrest was the catalyst to separate and then divorce. My attorney used the arrest and financial records I had of squandering of assets to increase my portion of community property to over 50%.   He did send me veiled threats while he was alive. I pursued a permanent restraining order & he ceased contact.  In hindsight, I realize the worst place for a gay man would be in prison. 

It was a relief when he passed away some months after the divorce.  I grieved the end of my marriage and his death simultaneously. It has taken time dealing with the trauma and PTSD from throughout our years together.

I have much of my old life back and am working on the rest. That was my goal. I loved my job and my coworkers. I loved where I lived & am still living in the same home. He caused continuous torment and drama. It is a blessing to be free of that. It’s a gift.

COVID put a damper on my social life. We are still in lockdown after March 2020. It’s supposed to be lifted in mid-June. I received my 1st vaccine and will get the second in May. Am pretty happy!!

P.S. I hope this may help those who have gay spouses who are deeply troubled. My late ex-h was a gifted writer, and had his Master’s in Journalism from a good school.

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No - It's not too late. It's not hopeless. Even there, there's something I can do. I just have to find the will. Ikiru (1952), film directed by Akira Kurosawa 
 

April 13, 2021 6:38 pm  #7


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Geez.  A synopsis of the afterlife of my once-loving marriage of 10 years.  Here goes: 

We separated in February 2020. Initially, he wanted to buy me out of the house.  I had a chance to live near close relatives so I left.  He decided he "couldn't live with the memories" so he moved into an apartment.  Our lovely house sat empty.  A month later, COVID struck.  Thought I would never unload the house so sold it cheap in May 2020, not knowing that there would be a housing boom and that prices in our area would rise $30,000-$50,000+.  Oh well.  Losing potentially additional money was worth it to be done with him. 

I'm now living 100+ miles away from him, which is great because I don't have to worry about running into him or other people who thought we were such a sweet couple.  Ugh.  I don't know what he's doing.  He told me he was no longer into "the girl stuff" (i.e. crossdressing) but I uncovered evidence that he was GID since he was in his twenties so I don't believe a word he says. 

Don't miss him anymore - especially the drama and the BS about his alternate lifestyle and desire to be female.  I'M the woman!  Not him!  I'm glad he's gone.  

I'm angry sometimes but mostly I try not to think of him.  Trying to rebuild my life but it's not easy since I'm 60+years old.  I am not ruling out any future relationships but am realistic that it's most likely never going to happen. 

I have lots of outside interests and I am starting to make friends in my new hometown, now that COVID is winding down.  I will never regret leaving him.  He was a liar and dishonest and totally misrepresented himself when we got involved in a relationship.  I forgive him but he will never be my friend.  Friends don't do to each other what he did to me.  

There is live afterwards - for me it's different and sometimes I have better days and sometimes not.  Anything is better than living with him.  

 

April 13, 2021 7:48 pm  #8


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(10.30.2012), literally on a dark and stormy night, I discovered my then-husband’s stash of women’s lingerie, wigs,  jewelry, nail polish and makeup  in a suitcase he hid in his car, under his golf clubs.
So much clarity came to me. Swoosh. Almost too much reality. I would swear, though,  I was led to that discovery by a LOVING energy in the Universe. I guess I was ready to handle what came from his omissions to tell me about who he was and what he was doing. Omissions about how he was getting sexual satisfaction = lies, no matter how he spun it.
With the help of this public forum among the support I sought out,  I began recovery from 1) the devastation of learning my husband of decades had been deceiving me AND 2) the darkness within me that allowed, permitted so much deprivation in our marriage, half of which I was celibate.
No more, no more, no more. Day by day, inch by inch, I got “out”, working at points along the way with a marriage counselor, a financial planner and a mediator. I just couldn’t get beyond his betrayal of my trust and stay in the marriage. In my experience, being in our home together but leading separate, parallel lives was the loneliest I’ve ever been in my whole life and  lonelier than living alone.
He moved out about two years after I made the discovery  ( 9.4.2014) and we were divorced almost two years after that (7.5.2016) while our three 20-something sons were home visiting and still asleep upstairs. I took my wedding ring and 25th anniversary ring to a jeweler to take apart and then meld together to make me a “family” ring, as a symbol that even if the marriage didn’t survive, the family will, in a different form.
Did I ever imagine I’d be divorced at 56, just after all our sons had launched? I think not. As I look back, I guess what I see is that I wouldn’t have gotten through the discovery and it’s impact, like a boxer’s gut-punch, unless I’d first begun to realize I deserved better. I deserved abundance, not the deepest deprivation. And with time, distance, and the hard work of loving myself, so much abundance has arrived: my sons still come home to visit, I have a job I love, good friends, I met a kind, communicative, romantic man who has been a true partner. No, he’s not perfect and neither am I but for the first time in my life I feel like he’s on my team, a team supporting how I try to live my best life.
I see my ex occasionally because he still lives in town. Yes, there’s still some faint grief, mostly that I wasn’t able to give my kids the intact family any kids want. Yes, I still have work to do to forgive him.  I also can’t help but think about how imprisoned my ex was and is—remembering how he begged me “not to tell”, and I’ve kept my word. He’s been with another woman now for over a year and I want to beg him to tell her, to spare putting her through what I had to endure. But then I get myself back on “my side of the street” where I’m FREE!

 

April 14, 2021 11:59 am  #9


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We are doing great. My husband came out as bi a year and a half ago although I’ve always suspected that were a possibility. We are closer than we’ve ever been and we always have been close. We remain monogamous and we have been together for 30 years. Him coming out has been really good for us. It explains some things that were unexplainable prior.

 

April 14, 2021 12:25 pm  #10


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"He's too clueless to know that he is the inadvertent beneficiary of my happiness at no longer being married to him"   OMG Abby,  what a great line and what a great place to be emotionally!  

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