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June 20, 2016 8:39 pm  #1


How long to get over TGT?

So something I have never mentioned on this forum because I am supremely embarrassed. When my husband came out and left me last fall, we lived in a town 800 miles from family. And I was one of the unfortunate ones who somehow managed to have NO CLUE my husband was gay for 20 years. I'm still stunned I wasn't smarter. Anyway, after several months of shock and my husband promising me we could move back home before divorcing, he changed his mind, because he's met the love of his gay life here. So as I moved from shock into depression and grief, my ability to care for myself and our three kids waned and my mom moved here.

Yes, I feel like a giant baby.

So my mother is not an emotive person. She has been twice divorced. When the grief hits, which is usually when the kids leave for dad and his bf's house, she gets frustrated and tells me she doesn't understand why I haven't made any progress. I always cry about the same things and what's the use of that. Now my therapist tells me I am making progress, but who knows. I'm going through a period of huge unknown, trying to find a job, go through the divorce, stay civil with my very contentious ex, etc. Sometimes I get overwhelmed and I cry. She tells me things like she wishes I'd wait til after dinner to have one of my "fits." And I feel like a 13 yr old again and remember how I partially married to get away from her and my father. (Obviously not the best plan in hindsight.) I chose my ex because he was good and kind and trustworthy -- not particularly emotive, but very loyal. Only he was a very good liar.

Anyway, if you try the classic, mom when you say ___, it makes me feel ___. She comes back with how she's sorry but here's why you needed to hear it and she was right to say it.

I feel trapped. I am not ready to do the single parent gig with no help. I'm going to have to move, navigate a financial mess, and accomplish a lot more in the next year. The divorce has just officially started. Between my ex and my mother how do I not fall further into feeling like a powerless victim? I miss feeling like I had self-confidence and my kids are struggling with anger and behavior issues, too. Sometimes I can't see the light at the end of the tunnel. At any rate, I want my mom to know that 10 months isn't really all that far into this process, so perhaps it's not so unusual that I'm not just over my 20 year marriage (and having my life completely turned upside down) yet. Right? I read Amity Buxton's book and I think she said at least 3 years for recovery.

Last edited by Sue (June 20, 2016 8:42 pm)


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June 21, 2016 2:16 am  #2


Re: How long to get over TGT?

Please quit being embarrassed!  I am the ex of a trans and now I look back I see the signs were there in big neon lights from almost day one of my marriage and no I am NOT stupid!  I was betrayed and totally wrecked but I have survived and I identify really strongly with how you are feeling and your reactions.  I did not cry, I howled for hours!  You are obviously working through all your feelings, that is a positive even if it does not currently feel like it.  I hope you have a good therapist.  I was beyond terrified about coping alone as a single parent but here I am and I have survived but it took me way longer than 10 months to cope at all.  Regrettably I have no magic wand and am not qualified to advise you but my heart goes out to you.  You have also found SSN and there really are some amazing and supportive people to be found here. I find it so helpful to know there are people who really understand and can empathise with how I feel and i so hope that gives you some comfort and hope too. 

 

June 21, 2016 6:47 am  #3


Re: How long to get over TGT?

Sue,
My heart aches for you and your children. Your entire world has been dumped upside down. Everything you thought you knew, and valued, and trusted evaporated before your face. You're angry, scared, and so very sad. You are worried about your kids. I have had to come to terms with the fact that my entire 30 year marriage was probably a scam. Even though we can find support, no one truly gets the layers of the betrayal unless they have lived it. I've found it's many steps forward with some backward, then forward again. I'm still working my way through, and just when I think I'm fine, something out of the blue hits me and I'm temporarily backslide.  Just remember to care for yourself, sending hugs.

 

June 21, 2016 7:10 am  #4


Re: How long to get over TGT?

Sue..
Your words are honest and authentic. 

You have nothing to be embarrassed or ashamed about. .we gave to our spouses true love..we were all in. I for one am not ashamed of that.  I would argue that we are capable of that and spouses are not.  Think about it.. they broke their marriage vows...they lied to us for years.  So when they promise anything is it true? Is it real?
My wife went to church with me ...was it true?  No ..our word is real and we have our integrity..I can sleep soundly at night knowing I did all I could.  I did what I promised and meant what I said.


I'm so sorry you have no other close family.  Your mom is who she is..at least you see her as she is.. for all her flaws she did come out to help you.  I do laugh sometimes..I remember my lezexs  one lawyers letter saying "enough time has past for emotion". 

Who are they to say or dictate when we get over something.  I mean our gay spouses were over us long before we found them out. Its  surprising.. your mom who is divorced should have some sense of the betrayal and hurt.  But we all take what time we take. 

Gather strength at your own pace.  Your mom probably means well. 

Crying.  Crying is ok.  Tell your mom that. I cried as I opened my own checking account.. but I told the bank person why...I told the person the tears just come but I was doing what needed to be done..stoic..walking by faith.  I was not ashamed. On the contrary I think crying shows real strength...it shows we feel..we are authentic. We know right from wrong.  I can assure you at no point before, during or after did my cheating lezex cry.
Antidepressants can help with the crying to help you get through this..to do what needs to be done. 

Take small steps each day.  Be compassionate to yourself. 

No I am not over my lezex..but she has been so cruel to me ...I have to look far back to remember all we had...the way she used to be.  I always try to look forward now..always forward.  I seek god..but not her.

Last edited by Rob (June 21, 2016 7:16 am)


"For we walk by faith, not by sight .."  2Corinthians 5:7
 

June 21, 2016 9:30 am  #5


Re: How long to get over TGT?

OMG Sue - I'm so sorry.  I know what it's like to have an emotionless mother.  What you mentioned was spot on.  You can tell my mom all day long: Mom, what you're saying is rude and unacceptable behavior.  Or Mom, it's really hurtful when you call me xxxx.  To which she will reply either: it's my place as a mother, or, that's what family is for is to tell the truth, or, you're too sensitive.  In reality, she is bat shit crazy and always has been.  No one should have to hear how bad they look, how bad their hair looks, they are anorexic (I'm far from it), etc. etc.  I'm actually pretty damn attractive!  And thank God I realized it because if I didn't she could have destroyed me.  She started the emotional abuse when I was about 10 and by some miracle, I realized it as soon as it started.

I can not imagine living with her.  She's in her 80s and still as cold, rude, and as emotionless as the chair in front of me.  Just this weekend at Father's Day lunch she said: I sure do miss xxxx (let's call my GID ex, Bob). I feel so sorry for him.  Bob was such a nice man and so upper class.  WTF???  Such a nice man?  He lied to your daughter for 12 years and never even came to visit you except for twice a year when I made him.  You didn't even know him and we lived in the same city you crazy old bat!  And upper class?  wtf is that all about I have no idea.  I seriously wanted to reach across the table and punch her in the bee-hive wearing head.  But...I'm not a violent person so I told her calmly that she needed to reassess her opinion and it was me she should be concerned about.  To which she replied: oh ya, you too and laughed. 

Questions:  Is she there to stay for good?  Do you live in the same house?  You need to get away from this person or at least get several good breaks.  Ramp up that job search and get yourself out of that house.  I know it's hard but trust me when I tell you that a change of scenery will eventually make a ton of difference. 

She has made it clear that you can't share feelings with her (I've experienced the same - I've shared feelings only to have them used against me later).  These people (mothers or not) are not worthy of our emotions.  It's sad but true.  Find support elsewhere.  Cry alone in the shower (that was my favorite place).  Use your therapist or a friend to talk to.  The last thing you need is more emotional manipulation and that's exactly what you're getting from her. 

Hang in there Sue.  You can do this.

Last edited by Still Wondering (June 21, 2016 9:31 am)

 

June 21, 2016 3:57 pm  #6


Re: How long to get over TGT?

Thank you, SW. My mom seems to have a box she puts all her hurt away in and then moves forward. I am probably overly emotive and tend to process through talking and crying. She doesn't understand going through the same things over and over, as she puts it. In some ways she is a great help to me (I don't have to be alone so much, which I find a very easy place to slip into depression), but as far as emotions go she just can't do it.

I would eventually like her to get a place of her own, but we don't know how all that will work until my divorce financials become clearer, which is months down the road. Also I feel very guilty bc I know she misses our hometown and she made a huge sacrifice to come here. She lived in a much larger city and we don't have the same amenities here. And I can't leave bc my kids are here.

I feel I should be much more independent, but I've never lived alone and certainly have never lived through something like this. She has and I'm guessing deep down feels I should be able to, as well. One thing she doesn't get is the shock of TBT, which for me has been enormous bc I had no clue it was coming. I still have trouble looking ahead and all seems very bleak between not seeing my kids as much, having to go back to work (and seeing the kids even less), the court fight my lawyer anticipates over alimony, having zero single friends here, etc. I want to feel hope, but still feel shocked to the core. Having someone with me through this, especially to help pick up and drop off kids once I start working seems essential right now.

Sometimes everything is fine, but then other times she just gets over me and says I purposefully pick the worst times to break down, which is utter nonsense. And if you try to talk with her, she gets up and walks off. We have never been close because of her behavior, but I truly have no other family to help me here. I so wish I could move back home, but then I would lose the kids except for summers. I've spent too many years raising them to do that.


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June 21, 2016 5:10 pm  #7


Re: How long to get over TGT?

First of all, you have NOTHING to be embarrassed or ashamed about.  The fact that you couldn't see that your ex was gay means that you trusted him.  You trusted your husband.  You loved him and turned your heart over to him and believed that he had your best interest at heart - just like you did his.  Just like you're supposed to when you're married.  It's not your fault that you were blinded.  He did that knowingly.  He was not telling you the truth, but he was also knowingly deceiving you about it.  He had the chance to tell you outright, and he didn't - he decided to keep you in the dark so that he could maintain the status quo.  That's not YOUR fault, Sue.  You literally need to envision that guilt as something physical that you can put into a box.  Then you need to put it down mentally.  Envision driving it to a cliff and tossing it over the edge.  Then any time you go back to that place of feeling stupid for not knowing, you tell yourself "I'm not holding that box any longer.  I tossed it away.  I refuse to go get it again".  Period.  It really does help.

Now, as for your mother.  That's a doozie.  This whole thing is because you have two different personality types, and you process information and emotions differently.  Go do an online Myers-Briggs personality survey - I'll bet you're a feeler.  Your mom is likely a thinker.  Two different ways of "being" - neither of which you can or should necessarily change. Have her take the quiz, too.  Then compare the descriptions, and how the two are different.  It may help.  It'll certainly help you to understand yourself better, and that you're not messed up so much as a type - a type that your mother doesn't understand.  She should have learned by now that not everyone is the same, but there are certain types that only see the world through their own lens, and don't account any other "right" ways of doing things.

In the meantime, you can tell her that opening the door and shouting "WE NEED RAIN" outside won't suddenly make it rain - even if it IS the truth.  She is not God - she cannot speak things into existence.  Tell her that you're in pain and in mourning and have lots of confusion - telling her that you need to get over it isn't HELPING you - it's making you feel like you need to be someone else around her or she won't accept you for who you are.  That in your worst times, she's adding to the stress of trying to heal by telling you you're doing it wrong.

If I had to guess, you're still in a mourning phase.  That's a very emotionally draining time, and you can't get "over" it - you have to get through it to get to the other side and be in a healthy place.  Stuffing it under the rug may work, but you'll trip over it later until you deal with it then.  There are no true shortcuts in mourning.

The other thing you're likely dealing with is trauma.  This kind of situation has that sort of effect on some of us - probably all of us, to some degree.  Trauma is..... traumatic.  Lol.  Maybe speak to your psychologist about getting in to see the psychiatrist, and speak to him/her about getting on an antidepressant that can help you feel less pain while you heal.  It can be very difficult to get better when you're still in the trenches.  Getting some help there can be really advantageous.

On a practical note, you need to make plans for things that make you happy - or at least things that act like a balm.  If you feel a huge void when the kids leave, make plans for what you're going to do with that first two hours.  Maybe it's pulling out right behind them to go mosey around a book store.  Maybe it's making plans with a good friend to go out to dinner.  Maybe it's going to a concert in the park.  Or even taking the dog for an immediate walk.  If you plan nothing, you feel the nothingness more distinctly.  Give yourself something to look forward to and it may help.

I'm sorry you're going through this.  There really is no timeline - it's all very individual to you, your situation, your personality, your support network, etc.  it's over when it's over.


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June 22, 2016 5:06 am  #8


Re: How long to get over TGT?

Hi Sue, 

One year on here too.  And just yesterday when after a difficult meeting with my GIDXH on Sunday, I told my mother a little bit about it and she said "Oh best not to talk about that anymore"  moving on quickly sort of response.  She also quite unhelpfully suggested that we should get counselling and that would help save our marriage.  So I feel your pain when you just want to be heard and comforted and all you get is a sense of inadequacy that you aren't 'getting over it'  
I was married 27 years.  I did ignore some quite big signs - gay porn, a gaydar profile!! OMG really? And just Sunday GIDX regaled me with tales of how he is perfectly capable of being faithful to a woman now and that he "doesn't need to do 'that' anymore"  And the thing is I still am just so sad, so wanting to believe that this man I loved with ALL my heart is telling the truth, despite the fact he hasn't ever really.  27 years....  
Anyway big hugs to you in the hard mess that is this shitty divorce process.  You can do it.  And one thing that has helped me a lot is a Buddhist friend who advised me to just let myself really go into the grief and the pain - not try to deny or push away the sadness and the low that is a natural reaction to a difficult situation.  The way is thru, not around.  And then when you go down into the depths, you kinda come out....stronger.  But it takes a lot of wallowing for a while.  I'm nearly getting past the need to wallow and cry all the time, but it has been now nearly 18mos which IMHO is still early.  but I have no kids at home and more stability than it sounds as if you have had, so big kudos to you just getting outta bed!!!  

 

June 22, 2016 9:58 am  #9


Re: How long to get over TGT?

Hi Sue.... so sorry to hear you are going thru this.  I am 3 years post TGT., divorced, moved, new relationship and very happy it all happened (yes, it is possible!).... but, i am writing you to share something that really helped me in the first year or so.  I kept a journal and specifically used it to vent my full feelings (because they were very ugly and I needed to be able to express them without censuring myself).  I also journaled every single accomplishment I made... and I am talking no matter how small... like paid a bill that day, made 1 phone call to inquire about divorce issue, BBQ'd my first time, took a walk, fed the animals and myself .... all the way to huge things like bought a house on my on, arranged the move of my horse to the new house, hooked up wireless internet on my own.  You get the idea... keep track of all of your accomplishment... look back on them... realize your growth...congratulate yourself and celebrate your strength . You too will get thru this.  Best wishes.

 

June 22, 2016 12:18 pm  #10


Re: How long to get over TGT?

"..journaled every single accomplishment I made... and I am talking no matter how small... like paid a bill that day"..
I can say in the beginning while I was in shock I could not do very basic things..  I had literally had to start so small..each day  I tried to do something..ie.. went to look at rentals in town,   went to the library for a CD,  made this call.      Little by little the small things added up.    Always forward. forward..

I still live like this...each day I try to do something.   I  write things down to remember them.    My latest is home projects..  the projects keep my mind off the past and horribleness of what she did,  they keep me away from her,  and they get the task/project done.    Like in the karate kid movie;  him painting the  fence is not really about the fence.

The warm and near perfect weather we've having has helped..  every day I find something to be grateful for.  Every day we're one step out of the gay valley.
 


"For we walk by faith, not by sight .."  2Corinthians 5:7
 

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