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Yes, MJM, guilt. I'm not exactly happy, but I'm hopeful. I feel some amount of control of my future which has been murky for so long. I actually did not know all of the things you listed. I'm going to read that article now. You've been awesome!
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He has done our the taxes for the last 12 years. Married filing jointly. He does e-filing - I don't sign. I'm going to look for hard copies. I bet he printed something. I googled community property in my state and it is half and divorce is no fault.
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MJM,
I found it difficult not to give in, too, but once I saw how my filing for divorce amped up his entitlement and anger, I got over that and pushed him for what I knew the courts would back me up on.
Jujubee,
My ex and I also had our own jobs and retirement funds (we even both had the same title and salary). Our house was paid off and jointly owned. I had a savings account and small stock account in my name only, from an inheritance. He had the same. In my state, inheritance that never goes into a joint account is not considered marital property, but it's my understanding that different states have different laws regarding inheritance, so if you have any, it's worth checking. What MJM said about taxes on inherited assets was true in my state: one of my ex's investments, received via inheritance, was real estate, and although it was in his name only, he'd been paying the taxes for it out of our joint account for 30 years or more, so I could have claimed half of it. I didn't, because it had come to him from his grandmother and then mother, and I felt it was rightfully his, but I could have used my legal right to it for leverage if he'd opposed the rest of the proposed settlement.
I'll say one thing about property division: use the leverage of the law and courts to back you up. Too many of us live in a relation to our closeted or in-denial spouses in which they are used to manipulating us and calling the shots to get what they want, and they believe they're entitled to get what they want, and what they want is more than half (although they somehow will think that is fair). That doesn't change when you start the divorce process, so you need to prepare yourself to fight for your rightful half. As he's been making more than you and is used to spending it on himself, he'll kick over an equal division of assets, so be prepared to stand your ground. If you need to steel yourself against his anger during the process, think of a 50% settlement as him paying the price of his duplicity all these years.
Your lawyer will be your best source of information and strategy. Google up "super lawyers" in family law in your area, and consult several. If you believe your husband will be controlling, ask whether the lawyer has experience in "high conflict" divorce. Any lawyer you consult can't work with your husband. Find one you can work with--as with therapists, you need to feel the fit is good.
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I've lawyered up - the partner of a 40 year friend whose been practicing divorce law for 44 years. Thanks for the great advice. She's so awesome she started swearing towards the end of my consultation. She didn't even realize it. Tomorrow it starts to get real.
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Glad you have lawyered up, and good luck. View this as unwinding a business in which your business partner tried to defraud you. In both situations, you need to fight for everything that could be yours. It's time to protect yourself.
Getting back to the question title of your post, you've probably answered it. In the early days, I spent a lot of time trying to figure out what my ex-wife was after I blew the cover off of her affair with a woman -- gay, bi, "experimental", pansexual? It was a waste of time because I already knew the answer, even though it took too long for me to accept it. She was "not straight" and pathologically dishonest. Neither of those were acceptable to me.
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Blue Bear: Thanks. Full deflector shields are up. Yes, I have answered my question - I'm going with "not straight" because I need to shut off my brain thinking down that rabbit hole. Everything you wrote is so spot on that it could be me. The enormous relief I feel is indescribable when I read posts like yours. I'm so grateful for your insight.
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manscaping doesn't mean cheating!
it started with 70s gay porn and has since took a turn into mainstream self care.
think that, for me, over-indulgence in body image, along with trimming of most of his man hair, for my husband, aligns with his "bisexual' if not "homosexual" self- this is not always the case though. my husband has cheated on me in the past w. women and came out to me as 'bi' - i completely believe him that no other cheating has happened. he, of his own free will, tells me every night how amazing he feels to be honest and i can ask him anything it's an ever progressing progression- you can hear other peoples stories but all stories aren't the same
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@Jujubee, so glad you have gotten to the point of lawyering up and preparing for what is to come. It doesn't matter what he is, if you aren't happy with how your relationship is, then time to get out. It does make it seem easier if we "know" what their orientation is for sure. By the time most straight spouses are asking that question, it is really pretty far down the line for our partners in their journey and acting on their desires in some way - emotional betrayals will have already happened even if physical cheating has not - and usually they aren't in a place to enlighten you because they have nothing to gain from honesty at that point.... or any point really, especially if you allow such an unequal situation!! Go get what is fair for you.
@amgc oh yea, my GIDX was manscaping for years and I was in the dark. He also felt so exhilarated once he told me about his affair with a woman, mainly because it was his "proof" he wasn't gay.... uh yea we are all different, but also we are all the same too. Homophobia is pretty standard and bi is easier to admit. But to admitting to cheating is hard....and it sounds like he is already adept at betraying you, so I wish you well and hope you are one of the rare lucky ones who has a suddenly reformed, and completely honest spouse.