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August 14, 2025 1:06 pm  #111


Re: 15 years in my MOM with Dutchman

Hello Sam,
Thank you so much for your response as I mentioned with Dutchman I am extremely grateful that I found the items you two have written. In my response part of the purpose of writing is for me, I want to be respectful of your time and Dutchmans.
 
You use the word ‘unconditional’, but what does that entail? What does that mean for your wife? Unconditional to me means that I choose her, as you mentioned “free will” with an understanding that this is in fact a decision I make. I am mindful of my love for her, I self-reflect on the love I have for her, and I take actions to ensure I continue loving her. For example, in this situation I am finding some shortcomings on my own side and complacency in which this new revolution has helped me realize I can be a better husband. To my wife, I have no idea what this means to her? I have never asked her that question, I have told her I love her unconditionally, but you bring up a good point and I should go through the process in understanding how she feels and understand what this means. Thank you.

How did she gain here confidence about her feelings towards being lesbian? This is a great question and great way to word it. As I understand it now and when I self-reflect on our past there were signs, but in those moments prior to her saying this there was nothing specific that stood out and brought clarity.  She and I assumed she was bisexual. I am trying not to speculate on things like is there another woman in your life, and I haven’t had the opportunity to ask these questions yet. She moves at a different speed than I do with her emotions, and it takes her more time. At this time, I have told her that I have lots of questions and right now I am not in a hurry, that we have time. I will respond in a PM with more clarifying response in which she told me, as I need to keep some information private to the general public.

The result is that your partner's “perspective” and “feelings” are now acceptable, legitimate, and no longer a secret. They have a place in your marriage. I have always wanted her perspectives and feelings to be legitimate with no secrets. I welcome and I am grateful she was able and willing to tell me. Although, I have doubt and I haven’t clarified that she knows of believes me when I say this. As I mentioned I realize I have some shortcomings and one them is not truly being there and listening to her deeper feelings. I am hoping she is willing to give me the opportunity to change.

“Even the cultural pillar that normalizes that you MUST motivate your wife in all forms and perspectives to develop herself, because otherwise you are denying her. A perspective in which all nuance is gone and there is no longer any question of equality. In which your wife has no say over her feelings, choices, and will, and is left to her emotional fate”. This is a very eye-opening statement, thank you. I will ask her if she is willing to write and communicate with you. My wife and I are very different. I will provide more information in the PM.

Thank you both so much

 

August 16, 2025 4:49 pm  #112


Re: 15 years in my MOM with Dutchman

Hi Irish, Sorry for the delay in responding, like I said in the PM I had to work. 

In my response part of the purpose of writing is for me, I want to be respectful of your time and Dutchmans.

I wish you both plenty food for thought and opportunity to have a good, open conversation, because that will help you move forward through all the obstacles and feelings that are currently causing so much turmoil.
I value your respect. Don’t worry. But I also hope you have other people in your surroundings you can talk to. Family or friends? They may not always be able to grasp every of struggles completely, but such conversation may help you to elaborate and focus your own thoughts, find a way forward, and clarify where you stand. My friend, although she had a completely different view on things, helped me a great deal to consider my own thoughts more closely in what was the right thing to do.

To my wife, I have no idea what this means to her? I have never asked her that question, I have told her I love her unconditionally, but you bring up a good point and I should go through the process in understanding how she feels and understand what this means. Thank you.

I sure hope she is able to describe this to you, I really do. Because that is the boundary you’ll both have to, ought to, submit yourselves towards securing a lasting MOM with openness and no fear to talk. Afraid to hurt each other. Where love and respect conquers and agrees with the two of you both and feelings are met equally with the same importance and dignity.
Your wife can feel reassured in her understanding your unconditional love to be safe, so she can be as transparent and honest in the safety of that security. As long as she also (essential!!) cherishes your heart as the most important and valuable treasure you are to her.

I am trying not to speculate on things like is there another woman in your life, and I haven’t had the opportunity to ask these questions yet.

I want to give emphasis that I didn’t mean ‘another woman’ in reference to infidelity.  But to some friendships, particularly between women I think, can root very deep.  Women can be far more affectionate and passing emotions than man do in general. And in some stages in one’s life one could be perceptive to its warmth and intimacy.
Though I think it is also a good and legitimate question too. To get the uncertain hurdle in your thoughts answered. You have to know what you are dealing with to the full. It is apparent that things have stirred the certain ground you both walked on. Also the difficult questions need to be answered.

…as I need to keep some information private to the general public.

Of course!!

Although, I have doubt and I haven’t clarified that she knows of believes me when I say this. As I mentioned I realize I have some shortcomings and one them is not truly being there and listening to her deeper feelings. I am hoping she is willing to give me the opportunity to change.

Irish, everyone has shortcomings. Nobody is perfect. Don’t make this your fault! Or lack of being not more understanding or picture perfect. Of course there is always room to change or grow and build.
What you describe here is a frequently used argument for people confronted by their spouses coming out. And it’s so wrong! These gay feelings are not your defect in being a good enough husband! Those feelings would also have been there if you were Prince Charming with all the trimmings himself. This has nothing to do with you but everything to do with her changed (or maybe even long felt but never had the courage to tell) feelings. This is exactly something you will have to ponder on!! Because that is a mind change you need to deal with, and absorb to let its full seriousness of things that need to be addressed, come in.

Write when you can and need to. Sam.

Last edited by SamanthaNL (August 16, 2025 4:51 pm)


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