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January 28, 2020 10:23 pm  #1


Didn't go in blind...

Hello everyone.  I've been lurking for a month or two and I'm happy (sad, really) to find a network of people dealing with situations like mine.  I found this forum after googling "Why do married men set up dating profiles?".  My husband fell asleep and his phone screen didn't.  He had been browsing grindr.  This wasn't a blindsiding event though...  We got married around 9 years ago.  While we were engaged, he told me he had SSA.  I asked if he was gay and he said NO!.  I am LDS and had prayed about marrying him and felt a very strong yes.  After we got married, I told myself he was probably bi.  After a year of marriage we started seeing a therapist and after a visit one day, he said that he was absolutely not bi and was not sexually attracted to me.  Okay.... but we were still committed to marriage.  I kept finding gay porn and stupid craigslist crap in his browser history.  That's part of why he agreed to go to therapy.  

Anyway, I have worked on myself for a few years.  I stopped looking for his issues because I knew that all that would do was cause me pain.  I know that his issues are 100% not because of me.  In fact, he was abused as a kid, up through teenage years.  I hate his family for putting him in vulnerable positions where it kept happening until he joined my church and finally found the courage to say no.  He is committed(ish) to our marriage, aside from the really bad days (such as end of last year).  Due to his upbringing and the garbage people he was forced to be around, he is not so much in denial (to me, at least) as he is concerned about what everyone else thinks.  He wants a traditional happy family.  We've got a very small group of people who know about our situation.

I recently chatted with a woman who is from my church whose husband came out to her.  They did a short term separation so he could explore that side of himself, and long story short, 18 months after separating she's trying to rebuild her life and he's engaged to his future husband.  She talked all about how much happier and confident and improved his life has been after coming out.  My husband deals with anxiety, low self esteem, lack of confidence...  all that stuff.  I seriously wonder if we were to get divorced if he would overcome all that and be happier. 

So, I guess my question is, for those who are committed to making an MOM work, is your spouse happy?  I kind of think that right now, my husband is more in the marriage than I am!  Ha!  I'd be okay if he wanted to separate.  For anyone whose knows someone dealing with childhood abuse, do they still deal with all the negative self esteem and all the baggage? 
Is my husband under a dark cloud because of his past, his current, or both??  Anyone LDS around here?  He's committed to the religion which is why he wanted a straight marriage.  We are so NON physical it's funny.  No sex in 4 years.  I just want to be desired and I'm sure he feels the same way!  Is divorce just a question of when, not if?

 

January 28, 2020 10:43 pm  #2


Re: Didn't go in blind...

bakerpurple wrote:

.......So, I guess my question is, for those who are committed to making an MOM work, is your spouse happy?.......

 

We're 3 years in to a strained monogamous MOM. We're both resentful, we both know the other is resentful. I don't trust him not to hurt me again, he can't understand why I can't move on

Elle
 


KIA KAHA                       
 

January 28, 2020 10:55 pm  #3


Re: Didn't go in blind...

Oh girl... I feel you!  Not sure if you can relate, but I wonder if I were to remarry, would the next guy also have issues?

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February 8, 2020 12:45 pm  #4


Re: Didn't go in blind...

I sent you an private message. I think you may have to post at least three times to access it (I think that someone else had that issue) but it's there if you'd like to talk.

 

February 8, 2020 2:02 pm  #5


Re: Didn't go in blind...

bakerpurple wrote:

Oh girl... I feel you!  Not sure if you can relate, but I wonder if I were to remarry, would the next guy also have issues?

 

I'm no longer interested in finding out that any person I meet is hiding their true sexuality. 
I won't be hurt again

Elle
 


KIA KAHA                       
 

February 8, 2020 5:11 pm  #6


Re: Didn't go in blind...

Is divorce just a question of when, not if?



I don't know how to answer, from what you wrote I get very mixed messages. 
Trying to go for a MOM is in itself a good thing, but only if both end up happy and marriage becomes the beautiful thing it's meant to be.

 

February 10, 2020 2:39 am  #7


Re: Didn't go in blind...

Elle, I understand your resentment and bitterness.  I have followed your posts since I found this board and it sounds like your are going in a really great direction right, one that will allow you to fully take care of yourself.  I commend you for what you've had to put up with for so long!

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February 10, 2020 2:48 am  #8


Re: Didn't go in blind...

Dutchman, I appreciate your posts!  What you describe is what I want.  Something transparent, with no hidden pretexts.  

I was feeling quite conflicted when I wrote my post.  We were really rough for the first 2-3 years of our marriage, then he really turned a corner and has been getting better and better since then.  Seeing that he 'slipped' really threw me, because I felt that we had been going well for so long.  I finally gently ambushed him one night and got some answers.  I don't feel like the wool is being pulled over my eyes.  I know that he was very stressed and overwhelmed last fall, but it was a momentary thing.  I trust that.  He has a couple of friends in MOMs that he looks to as examples, because of the excellent communication they have with their spouses and the success they've had over the years and that is what he wants for us.

I guess when I posted I felt like he was totally in control, that all he needs to do is publicly come out and peace out on his merry way and I'd be left in the dust.  In reality, I know that I am in control.  He and I have clear limits, and if he crosses them, he knows that I'm out!  It might still be a question of when not if for divorce, but right now, divorce is the last thing he wants.  Our life together is more stable than anything he had in his life growing up and he doesn't want to jeopardize that.  Communication is so vital to the success of an MOM!!  I had so many thoughts for months, and all I needed to do was talk to him.

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February 10, 2020 12:47 pm  #9


Re: Didn't go in blind...

bakerpurple wrote:

Elle, I understand your resentment and bitterness.  I have followed your posts since I found this board and it sounds like your are going in a really great direction right, one that will allow you to fully take care of yourself.  I commend you for what you've had to put up with for so long!

 

Baker....whilst once I could have definitely said I was resentful & bitter...my statement "I'm no longer interested in finding out that any person I meet is hiding their true sexuality. I won't be hurt again" ....is a reflection of my strength, not my weakness, and I definitely see resentment and bitterness as a detriment to the way anyone lives.
I don't need a man anymore...to be fulfilled....is what I'm saying 
In fact now that I'm no longer tied to the r'ship sexually (I used to think it was at the core of my needing to keep the r'ship healthy) I feel free of the (kind of) spell he wove around us for so many years
 


KIA KAHA                       
 

February 12, 2020 1:45 pm  #10


Re: Didn't go in blind...

I guess when I posted I felt like he was totally in control, that all he needs to do is publicly come out and peace out on his merry way and I'd be left in the dust.  In reality, I know that I am in control.  He and I have clear limits, and if he crosses them, he knows that I'm out!  It might still be a question of when not if for divorce, but right now, divorce is the last thing he wants.  Our life together is more stable than anything he had in his life growing up and he doesn't want to jeopardize that.  Communication is so vital to the success of an MOM!!  I had so many thoughts for months, and all I needed to do was talk to him.

It's uncertain to you where this will end, and that is hard on itself. It sounds to me that you're hovering between different solutions and possible ways to go. There is no real clear path in front of you. Do I get you right (between the lines) that you're flip-flopping in your mind about the confusing situation you find yourself in? That's very demanding and difficult, and you hold on strong. 
But I'm worried about your husbands original motivation for marrying you. Although it undoubtedly stems from a strong conviction to do a righteous thing, this isn't a base for an intimate love relation like marriage.

But actually you should be able to trust this base of love with your eyes closed. Sure, this can really be challenged and times can get rough, especially navigating your way through a MOM. Struggle, grow, find a path together through difficulties and prosper. Getting back to shared unconditional trust, and feel it's there in all aspects of your relation. It is possible, but there has to be a base of love and attraction to start from. You can't summon it from nothing.
I have the impression you have a lot of love and will power, a valuable person trying to make good decisions. But you can't fill the void of love for you as a woman and wife, that your husband should fulfill from his heart. Despite his well meant intentions from his faith and heart felt wish for a traditional marriage. These intentions are no replacement for real felt love. You can't police him to do so also. Even when you would succeed doing that, it would not come beyond an outer appearance of marriage, it will never be the real thing. If it came to this result, it would be a shame to you both.

I honestly think that if I were in your position, divorce would be something I would consider (ie. from what you write, the impression I get). But... having said that, a MOM can succeed. If and when both love each other, 
go for it from the heart. Key word is BOTH, so not just your heart, but your husbands heart also. ('heart' is not like 'wish', or 'like to', or 'wouldn't it be nice', but really heartfelt from the bottom and every cell).

That's the dilemma I find myself responding to you. Our own situation felt quite desperate and uncertain at a point in our life, but it changed and evolved from there. However the start and foundation of our marriage was love, not a means to avoid social or religious pressure. You have to evaluate your situation carefully. You know your husband, and all other facts that play a role in this much better than I. Only you can decide what way to go, and that's a hard thing to do. I sure can feel with you, it's a hard time indeed.

 

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