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December 8, 2019 10:30 am  #1


An Update to My Saga - Divorce

I want to say thank you to everyone on here who has come before me to share their stories as well as those who have been there to help me through my own saga. I had suspicions that my wife might be gay or at least bi-sexual -- she loved lesbian porn, fantasized about being with other women, and was disengaged with sex within our marriage, often times couldn't achieve orgasm without watching lesbian porn, etc. Everything pointed in that direction for me.

When I confronted her about this, she laughed and said she could totally see how I might draw that conclusion. She said that she was in no way shape or form a lesbian or bi-sexual. She said that it was just a powerful fantasy for her that really got her excited.

Over the summer, she started an affair but this was with another man. I think that perhaps she was trying to convince herself that she is straight and wanted to get affirmation of that. Anyway, things got really bad once the affair came out. She kept the relationship with him going for 3 months, the entire time we were in marriage counseling she was maintaining a relationship with another man. She finally broke it off with him after I convinced her that he was a serial philanderer and three-time loser. He knew she was married but pursued her anyway -- nobody does that if they have any moral compass whatsoever. He also conveniently forgot to mention to her that he was in fact married as well until they were in a relationship for about a month. He was traveling on business and was horny so he thought he'd see what he could score.

Multiple times throughout all this she kept telling me things were over with him and that she was focused on fixing our relationship. Each time, though, I'd find out that she was lying to me and never told him that she was breaking things off. Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me...

After she did actually break things off with him she again told me she wanted to work things out. She attended one session of individual counseling and upon returning from that declared that she had no problems herself and that I was entirely to blame for everything. She cancelled all future marriage counseling appointments.

She describes herself as being an empty shell. When I press her for what her foundation is -- what are her core beliefs, values, virtues by which she guides her life, she said that she currently has none. She says that she is apathetic to everything, nothing at all seems to matter to her anymore. She seems like a lost soul at this point.
She tells me that she has a huge void in her life but she can't identify it nor articulate precisely what it is. She told me that she hasn't been in love with me for the past 19 years of our marriage and that she has been going through the motions of marriage, pretending if you will. She said that she wants freedom and independence and that she just wants a life going forward that doesn't include me.

Both of us have suffered from major depressive disorder for years. I am doing much better with it these days, to the point of no longer being on any antidepressant medications. She is still on a cocktail of antidepressants at the highest recommended dosages. I can't help but think that she is suffering a serious depressive episode but simply refuses to seek help.

I am looking at 2020 as a year of clarity and vision for me. I can articulate the things that I need to be happy -- I need someone in my life who can love me back as much and in the same way as I love her. I need someone who desires me in the same way I desire her. I need someone who brings out the best in me and that I can reciprocate that to her. I need a life partner that meets me half way on everything we do. When I told this to my wife, she said that she would never be able to be that person for me because she no longer is in love with me and feels strongly that she could never find her way back to falling in love with me.

We agreed to get a divorce and go our separate ways. We are currently in the process of unwinding everything from our household to our business to make this happen. I know that I will finally have a chance at real happiness going forward and I sincerely hope that she does too.

Last edited by Davin (December 8, 2019 5:01 pm)

 

December 8, 2019 11:34 am  #2


Re: An Update to My Saga - Divorce

I think it's quite possible for deep denial to result in depression. I saw some of that same type of behaviour until personal counseling brought out the truth. She probably should seek help but there may not be much you can do to make it happen. All the best in 2020.


“The future is unwritten.”
― Joe Strummer
 

December 8, 2019 2:10 pm  #3


Re: An Update to My Saga - Divorce

   Sounds to me as if your wife wants but is unable to bring herself to divorce you (I think you should oblige her).  This may be because she refuses to accept the truth of her sexuality--that she is a lesbian--or because she doesn't have the courage to live that truth.  The affair with the married man--may have been her attempt at an "exit affair," one designed to push you to divorce her.  Notice that she didn't choose a man who was actually available to marry...and if you believe that she carried on an affair for three months and never knew or discovered or suspected that he was married I have a bridge in Brooklyn to sell you.
  
   Many if not most of us here have been married to spouses who would not commit to us, who have when they disclose or when they are exposed say that they wish to continue to be married, or who refuse to initiate divorce even though they tell us they aren't attracted to us.  Many of us if not most of us are blamed by our spouses.  

  It seems to me as if you have heard what your wife has to say, and accepted that whatever her problems, and what they indicate, you have now accepted that she is neither willing nor able to give you the love and reciprocity you want in a marriage--the love and reciprocity required for a good marriage.   I hope that your next step will be to shift your focus from her problems to your own self care.  Your plans should include a visit to a lawyer to inform yourself of the divorce process and how to protect yourself in the lead up to divorce, and in the process.

  

 

December 8, 2019 10:01 pm  #4


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Hi Davin, great to hear your update - glad you are off the anti-depressants and there is an agreement to divorce.  that's great.  I just don't understand how she can say all those things and still come back and say she's not a lesbian and you are to blame.

When she says she wants a future without you in it, that's like what - she wants to hurt you as much as possible?  The way I see it, it puts a whole question mark over her worthiness for your love.  are you really still feeling it?

all the best lily

 

December 9, 2019 8:54 am  #5


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lily wrote:

Hi Davin, great to hear your update - glad you are off the anti-depressants and there is an agreement to divorce.  that's great.  I just don't understand how she can say all those things and still come back and say she's not a lesbian and you are to blame.

When she says she wants a future without you in it, that's like what - she wants to hurt you as much as possible?  The way I see it, it puts a whole question mark over her worthiness for your love.  are you really still feeling it?

all the best lily

I know that she has had no regard for my feelings for quite some time. She used the affair to stab me a thousand times... the betrayal, each lie she told, each deception cut again and a little deeper. She told me that she lied to me so that she wouldn't hurt me as much :-) She wanted to see how far she could go in playing me it seems. I tried to rise above all of this and treat her with dignity, respect, compassion, and love. I tried to be "the bigger person." I tried to empathize with her situation and help her through it all. In the end, all she wanted was to move on to a life without me.

Fortunately for me, I am coming through all of this quite well. I am now able to articulate what I need to be happy, and when I do that, it is clear to both she and me that under no circumstances would she be able to fulfill my needs for love. Moving on, I have the opportunity to potentially meet someone, somewhere, someday... who just might be the loving soulmate I have so longed for. The transition to single life again after 25 years of marriage will be rough, I'm sure. I am resilient and will grow, adapt, and change as needed.

I am focusing on myself going forward -- dedicating myself to making me be the best version of me I can be each and every day and raising the bar daily as well. I am eating healthier and exercising daily -- I've already lost 17 pounds in the past month. I am going to continue being very present and active in my children's lives. I am going to put forth a new and reinvigorated dedication to my work. I plan to do more things to enjoy life each day. I will play more music, I will attend more social functions, I will do more with friends, I will give myself time to enjoy hobbies that I have never been able to pursue. I am going to live my life with an attitude of gratitude and be thankful for all the good things in my life.

If there is karma justice in all this, and the next person I end up being with treats me like I treated my wife, and that is multiplied by a factor of 10x, I am looking forward to an amazing life! If the same applies to my wife, well, I don't think she will fare so well. I can walk away from this with my head held high and a clean conscience.

20/20 is a year of clarity and vision for me. I am looking forward to my new life and all the good things that are to come.

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December 9, 2019 1:10 pm  #6


Re: An Update to My Saga - Divorce

yeah really.  your wife seems to me to have been super hurtful.  Glad to hear you are sticking it out for the kids.  Perhaps you can suggest she has some counselling on co-parenting.

 

December 10, 2019 3:39 pm  #7


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Davin,

So upbeat and positive.  Walk on.


"For we walk by faith, not by sight .."  2Corinthians 5:7
 

December 10, 2019 7:21 pm  #8


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I am happy you are taking care of yourself. Devin, I had the same situation.  It gets so much better.


No - It's not too late. It's not hopeless. Even there, there's something I can do. I just have to find the will. Ikiru (1952), film directed by Akira Kurosawa 
 

December 17, 2019 11:41 am  #9


Re: An Update to My Saga - Divorce

It's the end of the year and I am cleaning out my financial records that I no longer need to save. As I was shredded I came across stuff from the separation and divorce time periods.

One thing that I want to tell everyone here who is planning to divorce or separate is to update your beneficiaries on your life insurance and other accounts where you can name a beneficiary. That includes life insurance and retirement accounts through your employer.

We had children and I found the records from when I removed my husband as the beneficiary and replaced him with our children who were adults by that time. Sometimes people forget and turns out that an ex-spouse comes into a windfall that the deceased probably would have wanted to go to his or her present spouse.

It feels good to physically put the past out of my life.


Try Gardening. It'll keep you grounded.
 

December 21, 2019 12:13 pm  #10


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Abby wrote:

It's the end of the year and I am cleaning out my financial records that I no longer need to save. As I was shredded I came across stuff from the separation and divorce time periods.

One thing that I want to tell everyone here who is planning to divorce or separate is to update your beneficiaries on your life insurance and other accounts where you can name a beneficiary. That includes life insurance and retirement accounts through your employer.

It feels good to physically put the past out of my life.

Abby, am glad for you and thanks for the financial reminder. It jogged my memory regarding a year-end IRS/State tax mistake I made. We separated physically, not legally, in 2015. We divorced the next year.

I chose married filing jointly for 2015 income taxes. This is fine if you are still on friendly terms. We were not. I had to remain in contact with him to clear up issues.  It gave him an in to hound and harass me. It would have been smarter to choose married filing separately.

I sound like a broken record but am so grateful to be divorced & relieved he passed away.


No - It's not too late. It's not hopeless. Even there, there's something I can do. I just have to find the will. Ikiru (1952), film directed by Akira Kurosawa 
 

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