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June 3, 2019 5:52 pm  #1


In desperate need of support for a partner who just came out

Hi All.Firstly, thank you for allowing me into your group.  I wanted to come here because I am so lost, and heartbroken and blindsided. Last week my partner of 3 months came out to me. He** says the reason he finally has the courage to come out is because of how much trust and love he has felt for me and he can finally walk the path of being himself. These words obviously warm my heart, but I can't help but feel devastated. I know that we have been together for such a short amount of time, but I'm telling you guys, this was IT. This was "when you know you know", "love at first sight", "oh my god head over heels" in love. I have had the most perfect three months and this news has shaken me to my core.  I am scared to see him in women's clothes. I am scared for him to change his name. I am scared to use his pronouns. I am scared to watch the transition of this beautiful, strong, tall, handsome, hands-on man into who I know that he truly is. But I feel like I can't handle it. I feel like I haven't known him this whole time. I know that it will always be him inside, but a big part of loving him is loving that he is a man. I'm a straight female and am just really battling.  I feel more sad than I have in most all of my life. I don't know what the right thing to do is and would love any help at all.  Thank you  ** He has not begun his transition yet, so I am not yet using changed pronouns.

 

June 3, 2019 6:09 pm  #2


Re: In desperate need of support for a partner who just came out

Been together only 3 months? You lucky woman. I would say....Listen to the advice of the men and women 
here, and be prepared to leave the relationship behind before you get hurt any more.

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June 3, 2019 7:03 pm  #3


Re: In desperate need of support for a partner who just came out

Ellexoh_nz wrote:

Been together only 3 months? You lucky woman. I would say....Listen to the advice of the men and women 
here, and be prepared to leave the relationship behind before you get hurt any more.

Welcome to our Forum

It just feels like i'm already SO fucking hurt. I feel so invested and am so scared to leave him and have him feel like i'm not there for him. Because I am there and I love him so much.

You think i should leave? Why exactly?

     Thread Starter
 

June 3, 2019 7:57 pm  #4


Re: In desperate need of support for a partner who just came out

    Why should you leave?  Because your partner is not in love with YOU.  What he says is that YOUR LOVE has given him the courage to be himself, and himself wants to be a woman.  
    It just so happens that today I re-read Anne Lawrence's "Becoming What We Love," an article about men who wish to become women (Lawrence is herself a transsexual).  I was struck at how different it is to read it now, more than four years after my ex's announcement he was "a woman in a man's body."  When I read it four years ago, I was in very much the same place you are, wanting to help him, wanting to stay relevant to his life, caught up in his gratitude for my understanding.  I thought we were closer than we'd every been; I fell right into the trauma bonding, which conditioned me to accept and even welcome more and more outrageous behavior and statements, and to participate and accept all of it.
   So let me tell you something: you're in the honeymoon phase, when a man who is in love with the idea of himself as a woman--an autogynephile--is idealizing you.  It's something they do.  It doesn't last.  Pretty soon it will be envy over your femaleness and your body, even as he desires it for himself (let me stress that: he doesn't desire your body because it's yours, he desires the body you have because he wants to be living in one like yours).  Any sexual spark will be the result not his loving YOU, but of loving you as the occupant of the body he so desperately wants for himself. 
     Autogynephiles are primarily attracted to themselves as they act out their fantasy of becoming a woman.  Look up Lawrence's article on the internet (the full text is available), and also read Michael Bailey's "The Man Who Would be Queen," also available in full text for download.  You need to understand what exactly you're dealing with, and shake off those romantic ideas of "the one," because if you don't you're in for the roller coaster ride from hell.  
   Here's the thing.  You feel as if you can't leave, but I am here to tell you that you can't afford not to leave.  It doesn't get better, it gets more difficult.  It doesn't get easier to understand; it gets stranger and stranger, and your partner turns into a stranger.  You think you're scared to see him in women's clothes?  What about when he "tucks" and parades in front of you with his grotesque imitation of a vulva, believing that you should be/will be turned on by it?
   You need to listen to yourself: "a big part of loving him is loving that he is a man."  This is the most basic truth, the most basic fact.  You are heterosexual. Yet your MAN is rejecting his manhood and will now attempt to live as a woman.  He will not be your man any more.  
  
PS: I'm editing this after Lily's comment, below.  Lily, a point of clarification.  Autogynephiles--men who are aroused by the thought of themselves as women--are attracted to women, and think of themselves as lesbians. However, occasionally such a wo/man might want to have sex with a male in order to "prove" to themselves that they, like natal women, are "real women."  Autogynephilia comes accompanied with the need for validation of their status.  But most autogynephiles do not "progress" to sleeping with men.  That is, it's a possibility, but not a certainty.  And therefore your warning is still relevant.  (And thanks for the kind words; we all come by our perceptiveness the hard way, don't we?)

Last edited by OutofHisCloset (June 4, 2019 8:53 am)

 

June 3, 2019 8:04 pm  #5


Re: In desperate need of support for a partner who just came out

I reckon it takes about 3 weeks of sleeping with a gay partner to damage your self esteem.  The hurt of it gets worse the longer it goes even if you become numb to it it just piles up in your body.

Of course you should leave.

You are feeling the same raw pain from being betrayed by the one you love, no matter how long you've been together, it hurts the same.  Your love is real and strong but not really reciprocated.  You do not want to be hand-holding this best friend who lied to you while he transitions.

Just from the side lines - but how dare he ask it of you!  What sort of a friend is this?  You want to be with a man who can love you back, don't you?

Don't let all the good vibes you get from your transgendered partner transfix you - it's not romantic love, it's not deep-seated emotion, it's just the way he operates.  From everything I've read here and what I've seen about, it is the extreme likelihood that he will want a man eventually, and he will want the man to treat him sexually like a woman to be dominated.

Question you need to ask yourself, cold light of day - Is this someone I want to have babies with?

The emerging femininity is not going to disappear back inside the manly chest any more than the genie is going back in the bottle.

so sorry.  look after yourself.  let your heart heal.  wishing you all the best, Lily


and hugs OOHC - just read your post.  You are amazing the way you face up to it all.  more e-hugs.

Last edited by lily (June 3, 2019 8:08 pm)

 

June 3, 2019 11:49 pm  #6


Re: In desperate need of support for a partner who just came out

This will probably demoralize you further but your description sounds alarmingly like love-bombing. Also known as behaving in a near-perfect fashion to create attachment and affection. This makes it hard to leave and/or induces guilt in the 'bombed' person for having expectations or boundaries. This 'loving' type of behavior is usually followed by neglect, devaluing, abuse, boundary testing, revealing of damaging secrets, etc. The pattern will then repeat so you get stuck.

Based on this alone I would say get out now. Immediately. It's unusual and not generally a good sign to get that close that quickly. Especially not with a reveal like that afterwards. It's highly suspicious. Don't let it keep going. Seriously. Please listen to the others.

If he really is a good person and cares for your feelings as much as he does for his own, he should be able to accept that this doesn't work for you. Transition yourself into a friend only if you want to support him but you have no obligation here. Not after three months you don't. No matter how much you like him.

 

June 4, 2019 6:45 am  #7


Re: In desperate need of support for a partner who just came out

Ellexoh_nz wrote:

Been together only 3 months? You lucky woman. I would say....Listen to the advice of the men and women 
here, and be prepared to leave the relationship behind before you get hurt any more.

Welcome to our Forum

I agree. I wish I knew three months into this. I have 20 years, 10 married and a 5 year old daughter. I would be financially destroyed at this point if I leave and destroy  my daughters well being either way. Not diminishing the pain or the heartache of finding this out but be thankful that he was strong enough and cared enough to tell you this soon. Some of us like myself have had half their lives or more with their "man" and found out well ive been taking hormones for six months so sorry stay or leave but im doing this. 
 

 

June 4, 2019 9:00 am  #8


Re: In desperate need of support for a partner who just came out

Like Whirligig, my first thought was love-bombing. It is a common tactic used by narcissist, and not all narcs are overt. Some use fake humility and a sense of selflessness to lure you in, but do not be deceived. I'm no expert, but I think the only way to know if his real devotion is to you or to himself is to oppose him and see how he reacts.

But let's not get stuck on him and what he does and wants. What about YOU? What do you want? It may not feel like it, but you have been given a gift. I was with my spouse for over 20 years before he came out to me. I had long since given up my career in order to raise and educate our children. We had a mortgage, etc. You get to decide now if you want to stay or leave before you get in any deeper.

So, again.... what do you want? When you look into the future what do you see? If it includes this man, know that it is a real possibility that this man will know longer exist. If you marry him one day, he will become your wife. Do you hope to have children one day? If he starts HRT before you have them, you may have to give up that dream. Are you okay with that? 

But this is a gift..... try it out. Ask about names and see how it feels to call him your girlfriend. Ask to see "her." I know it is scary. Believe me. I've been there. You won't really know how you feel about it though until you actually experience it. Then you can decide if it is something you can get used to or not.

And if he really loves and trusts you like he says, he will do this for you and move at a pace that you are comfortable with - at least in your presence.

But I have to say it..... if it were me, I would run.

Good luck to you.

 

June 4, 2019 9:02 am  #9


Re: In desperate need of support for a partner who just came out

SS1979,
   I felt the same way about staying with my ex, that I could not afford to leave, and did stay with him for longer than I now know I should have.  I have come to believe that my "I can't afford to leave yet" was a reason/an excuse I manufactured because I was not yet ready and able to leave.  
  I just want to say to you that staying is not going to benefit you financially in the long run.  Every year you stay is a year you aren't out there earning money for you and your daughter's future.  Yes, you may have to start small; yes, you may have to go back to school; yes, you may have to make living arrangements that are not ideal.  You may feel or decide that these restrictions are sacrifices that are too much for you.   But every day you stay is another assault on your sense of your self, your self esteem, and your mental, emotional, and physical health. 
    So while I understand that whether because of reluctance or dire financial straits you may not be ready to or cannot leave, please make sure that you have a good support system in place.  Tell your doctor and get medication if you need it, get a good therapist experienced in betrayal trauma, confide in family and friends, and begin to detach emotionally.  Also, make sure to visit a lawyer to get some advice about protecting yourself financially so you are not liable for any debt he may incur.  You do have avenues for action even while you are living with him.  You have to begin to tell yourself that you do have power to act, even if in small or reactive or self-protective ways, and to act on that belief. 

Last edited by OutofHisCloset (June 4, 2019 9:11 am)

 

June 4, 2019 11:10 am  #10


Re: In desperate need of support for a partner who just came out

Yes, the longer one stays, the gay spouse is entitled to half of what’s accumulated in the marriage in any no-fault divorce state.  I considered staying and attempting a separation agreement that would have separated the finances on the date she came out — my attorney said that wasn’t possible. I also needed to leave to protect my sanity.  Protection against debts is a great idea if doable. 

Find an informed attorney to advise you at a minimum.  It will save you much in the long run. 

ADSJ

 

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