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Hello, I'm new to posting on forums but here I go...
About 5 months ago I caught my husband looking at nude male images and asked him about it, he lied at that moment. Later that night I asked him again about it when he was drunk. He took a long time (saying he didn't want to hurt me) to tell me but eventually told me that he was attracted to men and had been since High School and to the point that he thought he was bisexual. (Side note: he told me that he was bisexual in high school a while ago, but I just thought it was a high thing.) He said that he's repressed it for so long and it felt good to say it out loud. He was crying, I was semi-shocked but understanding, thinking we could live with it. He didn't stop crying the whole night and that's when I realized it was bigger than just being attracted to men. He wouldn't talk about it anymore and decided to get a hotel for a couple of nights. After those nights we talked and he sent me a text that he couldn't live without me and how much he loved me, etc. So I let him back in and we've (mostly me) have been struggling since. We have gotten into so many little fights, that ultimately I know have put distance in between us and have the elephant in the room.
Since him telling me, he has denied being bi because "he doesn't want to do anything with a guy" and denied being gay. I have snooped at his computer history and have found gay porn (mostly images of men), movies of gay guys falling in love and purchased movies showing nude men. He doesn't know I've found all of this and now I'm lost for words. Whenever I ask him if he's gay he said no (of course), but it's gotten to the point that he doesn't want me to ask him anymore because I "don't believe" him and he gets upset. Recently when we were drunk again, he told me about his porn preferences, which include straight porn. He said he doesn't look at guy on guy porn, he just likes their bodies and they do turn him on, but gay sex doesn't. He asked why it would matter if he was bi, since he's choosing to be with me.
He's been showing a lot of love to me, kisses, caring for me, etc. so it's been hard to see past that and to know he's living a "double life" in a way. I have no doubt he loves me and cares for me, I just can't unsee the internet history. My dream at this point would be for him to finally come out of denial. I feel like a divorce and going through all this would be less painful if that happens. I love him so much and care for him deeply. I hate to see him in this situation and repressing so much.
I know he would never cheat on me, especially since he grew up with this dad cheating on his mom and it had a big effect on him.
I just don't know what to do. I feel like he has been honest with me, however, I do know some things that he thinks I don't know. I also know that my view of him has changed. I'm a sucker for feelings and I can't stand to see him upset and trying so hard of us. How do you know what's real anymore? How do I know if this is really what's going on in his head? I just don't know what to think or do. Am I reading too much into everything?
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See if he'd be open to going to counseling with you. You may have to admit that you saw his browser history, even if it's somewhat of an invasion of privacy (but you're married, so neither of you should be keeping secrets).
If he doesn't want to actually go through with anything with a guy outside of watching porn, you can tell him that you accept his fantasies. But if he wants to carry out those fantasies in real life, you have to set boundaries with him, and be clear that if he breaks those boundaries you can no longer be together.
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And be prepared to exact the consequences. You can't set a boundary if you're not 100% certain you will follow up, because then all you do is demonstrate that your threats are empty.
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I'm sorry you are finding yourself here, ongoingthoughts. I've recently found myself here under very similar circumstances. My husband also admitted to being bi-sexual when drunk and it was a complete and utter surprise. He also admitted that he was watching gay porn, straight porn, and trans porn, and also says that he doesn't ever want to act on his desires with other men and gives me the "I'm choosing you" line and states that he wants to grow old with me. He also swears he has not cheated, and at this point I still want to believe him, and while I think this is probably true, I do have my doubts seeing as he has kept so much of himself a secret from me for so long.
I don't know if I can offer a lot of valuable advice, as I'm still wading through this mess myself, but it is important to make yourself a priority and to try to take care of and protect yourself. I would suggest finding someone to talk to. Take a step back and try to observe your life more objectively and listen to your intuition. While my husband's disclosure was truly a shock to me, when I go back and review our lives together with new eyes I do see the signs of our disconnects when they happened with more understanding. Don't be afraid to state what you need for yourself. I also wish my husband would just come out and believe, probably erroneously, that this would make divorce less painful. The thought of him continuing this charade with another woman drives me insane, but the bottom line is that it shouldn't matter to me one way or the other, because I cannot live his life for him, and trying to navigate through what is real and what isn't with him anymore is a no win situation. One of the things that has been very hard for me, is that my husband seems to think that sex and affection will somehow convince me that everything is ok and we will be fine, but it is simply making me more aware of the disconnect and distance between us. It is very easy to get drawn into wanting to protect them when we see their pain, because we love them, but we have to be careful not to let our love for them be a weakness that can be used against us.
Your statement that you know your husband loves and cares for you struck a chord with me. I've struggled with that as well in my own relationship. While I have no doubt that my husband loves me immensely, I realize that it isn't the same kind of love that I felt for him. I love my family and friends immensely, but sex and intimacy are important. Trust is important. I don't want to be with him because he is afraid to be honest with himself or others. I don't want to live my life with a partner that doesn't show me their true self, and it is hard not to feel betrayed when our partners have withheld so much of who they are from us. Don't be surprised if more distressing news comes to light as time goes on. This seems to happen in a variety of ways for people who post here. While it is difficult to discover all of this, and while the initial discovery of it all is overwhelming and painful, it can be illuminating to finally see your own life as it truly is so that you can make the best decisions for yourself moving forward. Things are still very much up and down for me, but I am trying to prepare myself to move forward on my own if I need to, which helps me feel more empowered, because I also do not want to stay with him based on my own fears. It also pains me to think that my marriage could continue, but only if my husband ignores a part of himself and if I pretend not to know that I am not truly what he desires. Perhaps I am naive, but I don't think happy marriages should require such sacrifices on either partners' part. I want an authentic life.
I know I have hoped to find others posting here that had partners come out to them as bi sexual who maintained a happy and healthy marriage that didn't involve an open marriage. I haven't found those posts yet, but maybe they are out there somewhere.
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ongoingthoughts: I'm so sorry for the pain you're going through.
I think that one thing we all seem to have trouble with is the new role we have to play in a new marriage dynamic, and we've all had to learn as we go along. My husband was always taking control in our marriage: of our finances, living situation, priorities, etc. It was really hard for me to adjust to being the grownup in the room -- when I'd been allowing him to fill that job for 24 years.
I think a lot of us had that same struggle, trying to get the grownup we married to think and act like a grown up. You can present them with all the proof in the world and they'll still stubbornly insist that they're at most ever so slightly bisexual, that they love us, that they don't ever want anyone else but us, and so on. But, what we are living here is not in any sense a marriage of equals. None of us would ever do to them what they're doing to us, and expect them to stick around.
In your first paragraph, you say "... I realized it was bigger than just being attracted to men." I think this is the insight you should really spend some time on.
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FML, thank you so much for your response. I think we are in the same situation. I feel like I'm stuck in a hard place, do I believe him that he's bi or do I forever think he's gay? He's also had a lot of health problems and undergoing new medication. I hate to see him going through all this by himself, I want to be there for him, I want to be with him during this new journey but I have everything else going on in the back of my head. I want to stay to help him, to be there.
He's been trying to hard to make things better in a very sincere way, it's just hard to know what to believe and know what he's really thinking. I recently found a journal and he's been writing how he wished I would believe him and he's been telling me the truth. But his computer history tells a different story (gay movies and nude males). What do I believe?
What are you doing in your marriage? Are y'all divorcing? What's y'alls end or have you not gotten there yet
Walkbymyself, you are right, with everything. We've had this conversation before, I told him he wouldn't like what he's doing to me and he said that he wouldn't care if I was looking at gay porn, was attracted to women, etc because he knew it wouldn't affect our relationship. He doesn't really see the big problem. He said it's just something I know that no one else does.
Who knows what's real and when am I going to find out? When is it finally time to end everything?
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ongoingthoughts wrote:
What are you doing in your marriage? Are y'all divorcing? What's y'alls end or have you not gotten there yet
We haven't gotten to divorce yet, although I have tried to discuss it with him several times. He falls apart in those moments, and I waffle between needing to be away from the situation and the confusion I find all around me, and feeling unready to take on even more stress and uncertainty by moving out on my own. I am trying to organize my life a bit more, purging belongings I don't need, trying to pay down debt, looking at alternate housing options so I know what is available, and attempting to rebuild my self-confidence and focus more on what I want instead of always trying to meet his needs. Some days are better than others. I still find myself fighting the depression and fear that comes with realizing how much my life has/will continue to change. It hurts to find out that my partner in life has hidden core parts of himself from me. I thought I had found someone to grow old with that I could trust with anything, and it turns out I didn't even really know who he was. I also feel overwhelmed by the loss of our financial security - in many ways, it will be like starting over again, like a twenty year old but without the youth and with a lot more debt and emotional baggage, but I'd rather face this reality than live in uncertainty or live a lie. I supported my husband while he went back to school and he now makes almost twice what I do. So far, he recognizes the sacrifices I made and says he will help support me for some time if we divorce, but I'm not holding my breath on that promise, and I also don't know if I would feel comfortable taking him up on that even if he did decide to honor that promise. I've been able to talk very candidly with my husband, even though it is emotionally draining and difficult at times. Every once in a while we are also very angry with each other, but for the most part we are doing our best to keep the lines of communication open. To put a cherry on top of the shit sundae that is now our lives, everything seems to be blowing up around us, so we have agreed to a truce at the moment and are focused on trying to put out all the other fires that have sprang up that need more immediate attention. We are taking things day by day, checking in with each other, being brutally honest about our feelings (at least I am, and I believe he is trying), and attempting to figure out what our future will hold, either together or separately. Honestly, I feel strong and ready to move forward on my own some days and fall apart on others. My husband still insists that we can make it through this, but the more time I have to sit on everything that is happening, the more sure I am that we will need to part eventually. Right now, I'm trying to give myself the opportunity to digest everything that is happening and discover what I truly want. I need a bit of time to process everything to be sure I am making decisions for myself for the right reasons.
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I filed for divorce last August, after spending eight months trying to figure out a way to make the marriage work. My husband was shocked and stunned. He had just assumed that we'd worked everything out and now we were going to go back to normal.