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January 28, 2019 3:17 pm  #1


Really struggling with that pesky closet door

My STBX GH is insisting that I stay in the closet with him, and I’m really struggling with that request, as you will find out below.  I found out several weeks ago about TGT.  Absolutely floored me, as you all can relate to.  Our 30-year marriage had been a little rocky for several months prior to the big reveal, for the first time ever. He had been struggling for a while (10 years) with his G feelings and when the marriage issues started it brought it all to a head for him.  Ultimately, he needed to let me know about TGT, as I had been suffering greatly because of our strained relationship. (We are currently seeing separate therapists.) When he finally told me, I realized then that our marriage was over. But, I was glad he finally told me about TGT. I love this man, and to find out he was silently suffering honestly hurt me. He needs to be true to himself, and I don’t want to stay in a marriage with a gay man. (I deserve better.) He will always be very special to me and I can honestly say that we will stay very good friends after we go our separate ways.

Currently, we are on very good terms – he’s staying in separate bedroom/bathroom, and we are slowly getting the house ready to sell.  We have told no one, except for his mom. In a little over a week we are separately travelling to see our sons (one on his own in big city, and the other in college) to tell them of our separation and eventual divorce. I will also tell my parents on this same trip.  We have been advised (by both therapists and his mom) not to tell kids of TGT and just to tell them of our separation/divorce, and “how it’s amicable, there is no “other person” in the picture (true), and that mom and dad realized that our relationship was purely platonic and that we each “want more” looking forward.”  (This is also what we are planning to tell our friends, coworkers and other relatives.) To me, it’s just not 100% true. TGT explains so much.

I think kids will be floored, as our marriage was solid and we had a wonderful family life.  Advice to us has been that telling kids of both issues will be just too much at once.  GH wants to tell them on his own terms.  I will tell my family the whole truth, because it explains the real WHY for the break-up.  Other than my family, he alone wants to be the person to let others know, on his own terms and time, because it’s his story to tell.  I feel like I’m being cheated, because it’s not the whole truth in this saga that very much involves me.

I have to add a little more info about STBX GH insisting I stay in his closet. He has a politically appointed job in our city. A job that he loves and is very good at.  It took him many (10+) years to build up his professional resume and a lot of political ass-kissing to get his current position, which also requires re-appointment every several years.  He’s very afraid that if TGT gets leaked locally, his job could be in peril. Unfortunately, where we live, this is a sad reality. So, I understand his great reluctance in letting people know.

This is my first post here.  I’m still struggling daily.  It’s getting better slowly, but still stings badly. I cried myself to sleep last night (and looked like hell in the morning….gotta stop doing that!) 

 

January 28, 2019 4:50 pm  #2


Re: Really struggling with that pesky closet door

Beachcomber wrote:

.......and a lot of political ass-kissing to get his current position...... 

I had to smile at this part of your post 
Wecome to the best forum Beachcomber    you're in the right place

 


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January 28, 2019 5:09 pm  #3


Re: Really struggling with that pesky closet door

Hey Beach....

I feel your pain & struggle. We’ve been together 35 yrs & married 32+ yrs when my GH confirmed his same sex attraction. Our kids are 20’s & 30. Youngest just graduated college weeks ago. 2 grandchildren.

As soon as he revealed this to me, I was as honest as honest can be with all 3 kids. No way I’m letting my kids think, all of a sudden my parents are having issues/possible divorce after all these years of close family life, for no specific reason. He put us in this situation so the truth will be known why we split up.  We are still married, living separately in our house right now. My GH has a pretty high position in a business so I can understand you’re issues with the job situation.  They should have thought about that when they picked that career if they wanted to live out the desires they claim to have.

I’m not out telling people about our situation, but I do feel it is just as much my story as his to tell since he’s lied about his sexual orientation & done some highly inappropriate things over the years I had no idea about. This is no way to treat anyone, especially the people you should love the most (spouse & kids).

I found out in Oct and although I am doing some better, I still breakdown fairly often. I thought our future planned out & we had things to do in life. I guess things change & im trying to get used to the idea of having a life without him in it. But it is very difficult & my kids are not going to allow their father to have much, if any role in their lives following his behavior and actions/lies.

I’m just trying to get by day by day.  Hoping the best for you too.

 

January 28, 2019 6:04 pm  #4


Re: Really struggling with that pesky closet door

Welcome, Beachcomber! So glad you found us--

Recently I had a similar question, because my marriage was very serene and seemingly excellent, too. And I daily feel the burden of knowing the truth while few others do, and I sometimes crave the ability to tell people (and have them understand, which I think is probably a whole other ball of wax).

My son is 15 (14 when we separated), and both his and my therapist cautioned against telling him the whole story at this point, too. He is much younger than your boys, and I must say that I do expect I will tell my son when he is in college or reaches adulthood, if my husband continues to be in denial and in the closet. However, some spouses do decide to not "out" their exes widely, only to close friends and family, as Janet McMonagle describes on the Straight Spouse Voices podcast. I guess one question might be: do you and your husband feel comfortable telling your sons everything and then asking them to keep quiet about it?

I did tell a close friend and my (somewhat large) family, and they agreed that it might be better to wait to tell my son, but not forever.

Good luck with this decision and wishing you the best in the coming days.

 

January 28, 2019 6:58 pm  #5


Re: Really struggling with that pesky closet door

I hate to second guess the professionals, but I very strongly disagree about telling the kids, particularly in light of their ages.

What messes your kids up is when they find out you’ve been lying to them.

What seriously messes them up is when they discover the lying has been going on for years.

What messes them up exponentially is when they find out by accident at the worst possible time in some horrible way.  Think “police knocking on the door in the middle of the night.”  That’s not how you want them to learn.

It’s even worse if you try telling them that it was for their own good, and they know perfectly well that’s not the real reason; it was to spare Dad embarrassment.

With all respect to your therapist, pick a time and place and tell your kids together, and don’t expect them to lie just to spare your husband a little professional awkwardness.


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January 28, 2019 7:42 pm  #6


Re: Really struggling with that pesky closet door

I agree with Walkbymyself, even though I have not told my son the whole truth about my ex's decision that he was transgendered.  What I told my son was that after 35 years of marriage we did not simply "grow apart" or were now "happier apart." I did not want him thinking that marriage was something to take that lightly.  I told him there was an issue that was his father's, and that is was his father's to tell him about, but that I already knew, because I had told his father what I was going to tell him (our son), that his father's response, should our son ask, would be "Some things are private." (I had not yet read what someone recently posted about the distinction between "private" and "secret"--Thank you for posting that!  So helpful!)  My son now knows there is a reason, and he can ask if he wants.   In my case there are also other considerations: my in-laws are providing some money for my son's education, and I don't want to put my son in an awkward position with respect to that family connection. However, I do intend at some point to tell him; I think knowing might give him a useful frame of reference to understand some of the family dynamic that has bothered him over the years but which, like me, he had no way to understand.  Plus, he's an adult, and I don't think it's right to "protect" him--it's a paternalistic (maternalistic?) move that denies him his full adulthood, and reproduces my ex's hurtful decision that he should be the one to decide what and when I knew.  I also think that my ex's desire to keep things secret is all about sparing himself discomfort and owning the consequences of his decision to hide and to abuse his family by hiding the truth from us (thank you Oscar Minwalla, for that insight that the maintenance of a closeted sexuality is abuse!).  
  I did tell my family, and some of my friends, including those I have made over 28 years at work, before I was threatened with legal action because we work together and Title IX protects my ex's "gender identity" (although he is still in the closet!).  When I retire next year, however, I will be having some conversations with the powers that be about why I retired earlier than I otherwise would have.  It was hell to be in the closet with my ex and to be jerked around by him, but the actions of my workplace compounded that trauma, and cost them an employee.  For too long I was the only one who lived with the consequences of my ex's actions, and the time is coming when he will have to own himself and his choices, and stop deceiving people about his motives (for example, he serves on committees to do with women, not because he cares about women, but because he derives a secret sexual pleasure from it; that he earns feminist ally points allows him to preen as if he were a good guy, when I know that what he's doing is creeping on women's experience and secretly appropriating it in his own mind). 
   I have seen enough of the therapeutic community's bucking up of the closeted spouse to know that their advice not to tell is designed to ease the way of the closeted spouse while discounting our painful reality.  It's the old "collateral damage" problem--and I, for one, am not going gentle into that good night!

 

January 28, 2019 7:57 pm  #7


Re: Really struggling with that pesky closet door

Oohc: you reminded me of another factor I forgot to mention: the kids are going to fill in the blanks in the story, so withholding key information just leaves them wildly speculating. They might conclude Mom is at fault. Especially with younger kids, they may think it’s somehow their fault. Their friends will speculate. They’ll try to talk you out of it on the assumption your reasons aren’t good enough.

Last edited by walkbymyself (January 28, 2019 7:57 pm)


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January 28, 2019 11:42 pm  #8


Re: Really struggling with that pesky closet door

Beach, OK, if this is how he wants to play it, he better take responsibility for the divorce with his kids. He needs to man up, and tell the kids he has issues, and it's not your fault. I would also use this as a bargaining chip in the divorce, get your fair share and more. 

Believe me, your kids can handle the truth its the lies that they can't handle. Same for us straight wives, we can handle the truth but not the lies.

Be well, my friend, be strong.

 

January 28, 2019 11:53 pm  #9


Re: Really struggling with that pesky closet door

I would also disagree with the "more secrets" approach. It is not your fault/problem/secret so why should you be forced into the closet too? I know that I am supersensitive about dealing with lies by fabricating more, but what others have said is true. People do fill in the gaps. Sure, they aren't people you would want to surround yourself with but, your kids will be looking for reasons too.
I am several years out of my marriage now but my gay ex didn't even tell me. Just that he no longer wanted to be married. Well, of course he had a backup plan all along and when almost a year later, he told our adult children ((still without mentioning it to me!) I felt as if i had been lying to people all along. When it came to mutual friends, I let him be the one to tell them. Giving him this freedom to choose his timeline is my biggest regret. By the time he actually revealed anything to anyone it was all so long after the event that timelines get jumbled and noone realises exactly what you have been through. Is support i could have done with earlier on.
He has already been lying to your children. I would be reluctant to join him in perpetuating that lie. What about you????? He is the only one who benefits from that course of action. Your kids, friends will wish that you had told them.....not just for themselves, but so that they could be there for you.

 

January 30, 2019 12:09 am  #10


Re: Really struggling with that pesky closet door

I know I can be pretty strident about the issue of talking candidly with the kids -- but I do want to emphasize: this is not keeping a secret like "Mom got a parking ticket she wants to keep secret from Dad."  This isn't just a minor thing that they're never going to find out -- they're going to find out, and the question is, do you want to pick the time and place and present this message in the least traumatic way, because if you leave it to fate, your kids are likely to be far more traumatized by the shock of it.


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