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August 31, 2016 2:31 pm  #1


Lies

So many of us find evidence that our spouse has secrets, and then when we confront them, we're met with an incredulous reaction or lies.  They expect us to believe these lies - mostly because we've been trusting for them so long that they make it seem like they'll be insulted if we could possibly think they'd do such atrocious things to us.  We often fall for these explanations / lies / excuses.  I'm convinced it's almost solely because they lie to us so boldly, with such confidence.  So at the very least, we believe that THEY believe what they're saying.  But I think it's all bullshit.

If you have / had children, you know that they'll tell you lies right to your face, but they have a "give" a lot of time.  I have a brother who would scratch his head every time he told a lie.  One of my kids can't lie without looking everywhere but in your eyes when she's doing so.  My sister's kid can't lie without busting into a full out laugh.  Some people don't have a tell, though.  They have a poker face.  This comes from lying enough that they get good at it.  But still, there's a tell, of sorts.  It's hiding something.  When they hide something, we know that they thought they needed to hide it for a reason.

Let me give you an example.  I have a teenage son.  One time after grocery shopping, we couldn't find the loaf of cinnamon/raisin bread we'd just come home with the day before.  The entire loaf was just......gone.  My husband went searching for it, only to find it in my son's bedroom garbage can, at the bottom, wadded up, inside an empty toilet paper roll.  When confronted about it, my son first lied outright about knowing anything about the bread.  Then when presented with the wrapper, he said that he had eaten it all, but..... he had no idea he wasn't free to eat anything in the house that was in a common area.  Now,.... this is a plausible excuse.  After all, no one had ever said to him, "Don't hog all of something for yourself, essentially taking it from everyone else".  And then I realized that hiding the wrapper at the bottom of his garbage can - crinkled up inside of something - was his tell.  HE empties the garbage cans in the house.  He knew we'd likely never see that wrapper, but he hid it extra well just in case.  He hid it because HE.KNEW he'd done something he shouldn't have.  And he didn't want to be found out.  (if he was smart, he'd have just stashed it in the kitchen garbage can, where we wouldn't have been able to differentiate who'd put it there).  That right there was his "tell" = he hid the evidence of something he was claiming not to have known was wrong.  If that were really the truth, he'd have had the bag right on the top of the can, as if it were not big deal.

So many times I've heard stories here about how one of us will find a dating app or site on their spouse's computer or phone, and when confronted, they'll lie and say that they were just curious.  Oh really?? They why weren't you doing this in front of me?  Why was the dang thing hidden?  If something is "no big deal", then why are you burying the evidence?  Because they KNOW, that's why.  They just think we're dumb enough to believe them.  And for some reason, we do - at least for a while - until they give us enough evidence to convince us that they get it.

Most people in their lifetimes will find themselves attracted to members of the opposite sex whom we find attractive.  That's normal - so long as it's something small that doesn't impede on your relationships in any way.   But once those thoughts cross a line into more constant thinking, or sexual thoughts, we know to hide that shit.  We CERTAINLY know how to hide that we're trying to look nicer for them, or have phone conversations out of the way of curious ears.  We know.  And so do they.  Don't let them fool you into believing something just because that's what they WANT.  You know better.  People lie to cover things that they don't want to lose.  I think that thing is often marriage / their beard vs. the spouse him/herself.  Hell, let them go have marriage with someone else.  We're not idiots, and we resent you thinking that we'll fall for that bullshit.

Kel
 


You are not required to set yourself on fire to keep other people warm.
 

August 31, 2016 6:32 pm  #2


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Kel,

I had heard of 'tells' before my ExDW's affair.  I actually found she has one through bitter experience.

 

August 31, 2016 9:21 pm  #3


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So so so true Kel.  In fact, I'm working on writing my story for the "our stories" tab and I was thinking the same thing.  I always asked him why he would lie about something if he thought it was so natural and so common for people to do.  Of course his answer was that he didn't know how I would react, which totally contradicted his stupid  "everyone does it" explanation in the first place.  If everyone did it he wouldn't be hiding it and we wouldn't be having this conversation.

 

September 1, 2016 6:08 pm  #4


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Exactly "Still wondering"! Keep writing KEL I love reading your post ! They are giving me courage. My husband wont admit he is gay but if he is getting off on transvestite "chick with dicks porn" he is either gay or BI either way I'm disgusted  and sick of the lies. I don't think he has ever been with anyone else since we have been married but how would I know? He lied about the porn till I shoved the video of him in his face . He knew he was caught and all the naked pics he denied was his on his computer "rolling eyes" how did they get there? your watching gay porn you have naked men on your computer your files show mailing groups "Cigar smoking queers" no you didn't do anything your innocent. He even said someone was setting him up! who? all lies.  Hardly ever have sex ,cant stay hard except when jerking off no problem then.  No snuggling cant stand it no kissing touching etc. etc. etc.
The crazy thing is, he is being the husband I have always wanted...loving, attentive,showering me with gifts,treating my family like family. How do you ignore his secrets once they are now out in the open? Sex still sucks although always willing to go down on me..fuck no....I still want to be made love to not serviced thank you very much.
Now that I have proof something has been going on and as far as I know we have no little fairys in the house except one LOL. Its a decent day or that wouldn't make me laugh.
Every man I see now I have suspicion they are gay or bi or want to be. I have so so much anger.

Last edited by MrsPiper (September 1, 2016 6:13 pm)

 

September 3, 2016 9:00 am  #5


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The response I got was "I didn't lie to you." Classic.

 

September 3, 2016 8:38 pm  #6


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Actually it was the lies and deceit that made me decide I didn't want to be part of his little charade anymore. I found it so incredibly disrespectful that a person who had promised to love and cherish me would cheat and lie, for years! No, that was a clear signal, and I'm grateful it was so clear. He couldn't help TGT but he sure had the choice to be honest or not.

 

September 11, 2016 6:16 am  #7


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Ahh yes all the lies. Mine was very good at excuses as well. He could spin up a lie in a second even when surprised. He was also good at baiting me with things laying around like an additional pre-paid cell phone when he had an iPhone that he spoke to me on. Secrets were his passion. Big hurtful secrets. I too have so much anger but it stems from him being a liar with no real consequences for it. I just can't believe anyone could be so mean and leave me in the dark thinking I was married to a straight man. It's so harsh and cruel I am choking on the anger. I think in the end he left very discoverable things in my path to out himself instead of having to come clean with me.

Last edited by Judy (September 11, 2016 6:18 am)

 

September 11, 2016 7:01 pm  #8


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I get told that the lies actually never happened, I imagined them.

Or that it was none of my damn business anyway.

Asshole.


"You want a man who messes up your lipstick, not your mascara."
 

September 11, 2016 7:22 pm  #9


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Oh yes, and the biggest lie was him saying the problem was that I was "too snoopy" and "too suspicious." You wouldn't have known it from my behavior the first 24.5 years of our marriage! Now I wonder if he was also trying to let me catch him, he was that obvious toward the end. He did everything but leave me a map.

 

September 11, 2016 8:41 pm  #10


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Keepinghope wrote:

Oh yes, and the biggest lie was him saying the problem was that I was "too snoopy" and "too suspicious." You wouldn't have known it from my behavior the first 24.5 years of our marriage! Now I wonder if he was also trying to let me catch him, he was that obvious toward the end. He did everything but leave me a map.

I had a huge argument with my wife this week when every time I walked by she was messaging someone on her phone, and she would slyly hide the screen. I finally texted her to see what was up and she came unglued. She said "I have a private life, why do you have to keep prying?" Well, one, you're a liar. Two, I'm going to think you are doing something shady when you keep secrets.

 

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