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September 6, 2018 8:39 pm  #31


Re: Hi, I'm new on here and need advice Please

Oh my XH is definitely sick, he’s now knowingly doing it to a third woman.  I wonder how many years he’ll be able to hide it from her?

I got some rest today, have contemplated a lot of things.  One of the thoughts that came to my mind today was this.  How many women have died in “domestic violence”, but the underlying cause was like my story.

Think about it, even if I had started posting on here three years ago.  And if he had succeeded in killing me.  You guys would not have known, I would have just disappeared from the board.  Headlines?  Would have been one of two.  Man kills crazy ex wife in self defense (if he had gotten away with it). Or it would have been drug enraged man kills ex wife in an attempt to keep his home.

The whole thing makes me sick. All of it.  Go do whatever you want to do (with other consenting adults ). just don’t ruin other people’s lives in the process.   Will this ever end, I doubt it.   Like I said he’s doing it again.  I think there will always be men like him.   Masculine father, family up bringing whatever.  Women too that live a life of lies (don’t want to leave out the men who have been equally hurt).

But I’m wondering, truly wondering what the numbers are?  How would anyone know.  Wife finds husbands gay porn (etc etc etc) confronts husband.  Wife dead/missing.  Heaven knows I’ve googled just about every type of scenario and haven’t found one headline to that affect.  How is that possible?

 

September 6, 2018 9:16 pm  #32


Re: Hi, I'm new on here and need advice Please

Okay maybe I’m doing research for my book now.  I just googled wife killed after confronting gay husband.  Buried on second page I finally found ONE story.  The man (a novelist of all things). Storybook marriage, etc.  beat his wife to death in 2001 and tried to make it look like she fell down some stairs.  An on line male escort came out to testify against the husband.   He was found guilty of murder, but then was granted a new trial in 2017.  He then pleaded guilty to manslaughter. and was released with time served.  So she died and he did 16 years in jail.  Think I’ll go look for the documentary that was made on it “The Staircase” if anyone is interested.

Thanks Scrupulous for your statements.   Somehow I think this has been therapeutic today.  Something is just coming out of me, like this is a hidden secret.  And I want to say here and now , I am not anti anybody, like I said above (consenting adults, I don’t care).  I worked closely with and was friends with gay co workers.  No skin off my nose, honestly.   Just wondering, like an article on the main page talked about, where’s our parade ?   Where is our justice?   

I’ll admit it, I’m angry my XH is not in prison, he should be.  He got away with it, wow what is the sick sociopath getting away with now?  What is he still capable of doing in the future?  Not just to the new girlfriend, but possibly a gay lover?

Okay going to go look for that documentary.  I feel better, not sure where I’m going to go with this.  Maybe I’ll start that book.  Or maybe I’ll be able to start feeling happy again and go back to the business of living my new life.  Maybe I’ll just get back to being happy that I survived it and I’m alive.

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September 7, 2018 7:34 am  #33


Re: Hi, I'm new on here and need advice Please

   We are collateral damage--that's what I thought the other day.  
   The SSN puts it that "we are the victims of the victims of homophobia." And the celebration that ensues upon coming out--the courage!--renders us merely collateral damage in the celebration of our cultural elevation of the idea of "the triumph of the authentic self."  Their self-actualization requires our sacrifice, and like the those civilains inadvertently killed in a firefight, we are overlooked--or even accused of being in the way--or culpable.
    But I think this idea that we are "victims of the victims of homophobia" lets our spouses off the hook too easily, because it implies that their actions are explained by society's disapproval of homosexuality and its accompanying lessons of hetero-normative socialization.  I do believe in what I call "the pathology of the closet," the warping of a personality when a homosexual/trans person hides his/her sexuality (often even from themselves)--whether they marry a heterosexual of not. 
   To my mind, however, this doesn't explain all: it doesn't account for character.  I don't believe the abominable things said to me and the appalling treatment of me meted out by my stbx can or should be excused by transphobia.  I don't believe that his decision to stay in the closet is down to a lack of acceptance, and this is because I heard him tell me that the main reason he decided not to transition was that as a 6'4" 300-pound man he would not "pass" as a woman, and that when he looked at himself in the mirror he saw "a man in a dress" (his phrase). 
   The reasons he decided not to try to live as if he were a woman were down to vanity, privilege, and his sexual urges.  He bemoaned the fact that he did not have "the androgynous body" that would allow him to pass, he relies on the respect he gets at work simply by being male, and the sexual pleasure he derives from dressing in women's clothes would be dampened by the reality of trying to live as a woman and being reminded constantly that others recognize him as male. 
    These three things--his vanity, his privilege, and his sexual pleasure--do not arise from living in a transphobic society.  And his self-centeredness and selfishness pre-dated his realization that he was trans, although both took off on a steep upward line after he declared he was.  His decision to continue to live a closet, when he works on a college campus that champions transness, is not down to transphobia. 
  

 

September 7, 2018 10:24 am  #34


Re: Hi, I'm new on here and need advice Please

Wow OOHC i can't even wrap my head around what you've been through! I'm sorry for all the pain you endured. 

4-Ever that's a very good and interesting question. I would really love to see the real numbers of deaths by GID's to keep them silent. I'm sure it's much larger than we can imagine. That's why it's important that we do not remain silent. And all should tell their story to at least a few just in case. 

As far as homophobia, I have gay friends and adore them. Whatever mistakes they made in the past, they are older, wiser and correcting them. The younger out and obvious fem men, are more like girlfriends and are the easiest to accept because of their realness.
None condone deception and it's the ones that decieve others that I can't tolerate. Wether they be gay, bi, freak or whatever, they have no right to entrap innocent people into their f'd up world. I make it a point to disclose my utter repulsion at this to any interested man just in case. This gives him a chance to exit gracefully in case he has these issues. It doesn't mean that I won't continue to treat him or others that have alternative lifestyles in a respectful manner (to their face that is lol), but I am very bold about my aversion to being a part of that lifestyle. I've had my share of couples, males and females that have hinted in a round about way that they swing both ways and have shown an interest and curiosity in me as to how I react.
I hint in a round about way that I'm going to throw up and change the conversation. Then find my own graceful way to exit with out gagging. 


Life is like phases of the moon.... We really only see it when it's beautiful, full and in our face. 
 

September 7, 2018 11:02 am  #35


Re: Hi, I'm new on here and need advice Please

So listen everybody.  I found that documentary and it’s enthralling.   I just asked the moderator if it’s ok to start a new post specifically about it.   I think it would be worthy of its own thread.   Not just because it mirrors exactly how my life would have ended. But the story itself, the footage of the husband.  I think any straight wife wether still together or not would benefit from watching it.  But anyone interested (basically anyone on this board) in the ability to lie lie lie.  The way family at first said storybook marriage etc.   I skipped to the end last night and there are so many things I would love to be able to discuss.   There is awesome footage from the husband describing the hows and whys of him being in the closet.   Anyway I’ll be binge watching the rest of it today.  I’ve already mentioned the title above and it wasn’t removed.  So maybe it’s ok.   I’ll be binging it on the original network (with red letters ) that started the binge watching tv thing.   So I’m going to have to stay off of here for a little bit (because it’s too hard not to talk about the documentary )But will be checking for private messages. 

I know one thing, if I ever write my book.  It will have to be dedicated to the memory of the victim (there were actually two possible murders).

Hugs to all.  I am so thankful for this forum.

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September 7, 2018 5:10 pm  #36


Re: Hi, I'm new on here and need advice Please

Okay so I’ve finished watching the 10 hours of the documentary and have been doing more on-line research of the case.  Even though I got permission to start a new thread on it, I decided not to , as it just might end up being too political for this board and not trying to start a debate.  If you’ve been reading my story, you know why it interested me.  I think many of you would find  it interesting , just watching a real life professional liar, sociopath, etc on film.  And how the family stands by him.  It is very slanted towards making him look like the victim.

If you don’t have 10 hours to watch it or if you have. Read on

Spoiler Alert!

The first few episodes were very interesting.  My heart just breaks for the wife.  Very personal to me, that’s how I could have died.  Watching the husband reminds me so much of my XH.  They really try to down play his hidden gay life.  But ultimately he is convicted with that as the motive.  He and his brother try to claim the wife knew.  Bullcrap.  The fairytale marriage thing is exactly what everyone would have said about my marriage for the first 18 years

Personally having worked in a courtroom for many years, I started fast forwarding through some of the nonsense.  Just more interested in listening and watching him, as well as the families.  If you do watch it and find yourself fast forwarding (would not suggest it before episode 4 or 5)

Please make sure that you watch episode 7 about 20 minutes in.  One of the few really damaging things for the victims side.  Her sisters go to Duke University to read the suspects archives.  They read some chilling things that the husband wrote, presumably about himself.

The last episode is insane to hear him talk about his hidden life, how it started, how he hid it etc.  it’s also shocking at the end to hear the judge say in the future he would not have let in evidence about another women’s death and any of the gay stuff. As it was inflammatory. 

He spent 8 years in jail.  And 6 on house arrest.  He was granted a re trial, basically plead guilty and was released.    As I said, not trying to start any political debates on here.  I can join those on the Internet about this case.  There was so much evidence left out of the documentary.  I probably would not have mentioned it at all if I had realized how slanted it was.

I’m going to take a much needed rest.  I’m processing so much.  I want to reach out to the victims sister who has been called crazy and anti-gay.  One of the things left out of the documentary was evidence of choking.  After beating me, my XH was choking me when I shot him.  They showed pictures of the victim and my heart breaks.    Part of watching the documentary is filling me with gratitude that I am alive.  I am alive and have a voice.  How much I plan to use it in the future is left to be seen.

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September 7, 2018 6:18 pm  #37


Re: Hi, I'm new on here and need advice Please

I stopped at spoiler alert ;-) 
Sadly this series was already bookmarked in my Netflix account. I'm on episode 2. I will watch it.

That being said, I can not even fathom what you went through! No more than I can fathom how you SD has responded to you. I'll check back in after I watch the rest of the "The Staircase" series. 

I am so dumbfounded at what you have been through. You have my prayers always!

 

September 7, 2018 7:54 pm  #38


Re: Hi, I'm new on here and need advice Please

Thanks Mass, I will keep you in my prayers as well.  I know this process is newer for you.  I’m so happy you found this board and were willing to join (instead of lurk like I did lol).  It doesn’t matter that my story “is extreme”. We’re sisters in the fact that we believed in a lie (for both of us decades).  I hope watching the show gives you some comfort like it did me.  We don’t get to really know much about the victim, other then she had an important job.  So gotta assume she wasn’t dumb.  I don’t know why it gave me comfort.  I’ll definitely be interested to hear if you have similar responses (there were a few times I found myself yelling at the tv)

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September 11, 2018 1:51 pm  #39


Re: Hi, I'm new on here and need advice Please

Why am I so obsessed with this board right now?  Is it because I’m so isolated in my new life and it’s nice to be able to “connect”?  Is it helping or hurting?  I don’t know.  My health has not been good since seeing SD (who I have not spoken to since seeing him a week ago)

I have been down with a sinus infection (west coast fires all summer).  I will admit that I have called SD twice and no answer.  I guess I’m answering my own questions. Finality.  He’s out of my life like so many others.  It’s brought all the pain of 25 years back to the forefront of my mind.  I’m re-living EVERYTHING again and it sucks, lol (yes I can laugh).

It feels good to possibly help someone “new to the hell”.  I fear that I’m a slight zealot about it, lol. I don’t want to be overbearing.  But it’s hard, I guess it’s like take a horse to water but you can’t make him drink.  I’m sure that my former gay therapist (who helped me get strong enough to leave XH) really just wanted to shake the shit out of me and scream HE,s GAY!!! Lol

I feel like I’m making new husband suffer watching me right now.  But there is a light at the end of the tunnel as far as his workload and when he’ll retire and we can move back to civilization . Lol.  Okay I am smiling. 

I know that this too shall pass. I know I will get back to being happy and hopefull again.  New hubby and I have a much needed vacation / delayed honeymoon coming up next month.  I guess, for now my obsession with this board is helping me and maybe others. 

So I’ll just accept that I need you guys and hope that I might be helping others in the process.  For now, I guess I’ll get on here as often as I want/need to,  then get back to my former motto of , all things in moderation.  Wow that motto was mine in a much younger life.  But I guess that’s what this process is about.  Remembering/recovering/accepting who I used to be with who I am now.  Combining them both and figuring out who I will be in the future.

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September 11, 2018 5:19 pm  #40


Re: Hi, I'm new on here and need advice Please

This too will pass, but you do have to do the work or it will certainly recurrently resurface. Do the work by yourself, but also with your new husband if he is willing. Look into a therapist who does EMDR or similar. 

Clearly everything you have experienced has altered who you are ... but esentially you are a survivor and always have been ... so you are still you. "It is said that circumstandes don't make the woman; they reveal her." You were always amazing! You were always a survivor! Clearly someone who cares about all those in her life.

When the trust and understanding that you believe to be
reciprocal is broken, you take it to heart (just as I do). The loss is overwhelming. I currently can't fathom that some people actually think that "Oh he is gay, so clearly he had to act on it." WTF ... nope they made a promise to fedelity. They can actually honor their commitments and respectfully ask for a divorce. Clearly that is not the norm in too many of the SSN stories. 

Why is it so hard for your SD to believe what you are telling him? Sometimes
generational morals and standards are hard to fight. If your X was someone he admired and trusted, he clearly doesn't want to believe that he could be so very wrong about him. He made a decision to believe in him a long time ago (it sounds like your X had all those "manly" qualities that he admired). SD may never be open to the truth ... how could he be so very wrong? Your X is clearly a well crafted con-artist.

My heart truly breaks for you. You've clearly had too many losses and trauma over the span of your life. Being a religious person myself, I believe that God knew you could handle all this ... even if we sit baffled on the otherside of the kneeler. You are still here today and will be tomorrow. Keeping your goal to move forward is the best that any of us can hope for. 

I am glad that this group has given you a release. We certainly all need that. God Bless.
Mas

 

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