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February 25, 2018 10:07 pm  #11


Re: Help Me Please......Doubt

CindyS,
 I went today to talk to my stbx about divorce and about what to do with the house.
  He gave me the same bs about "communication," only in our case he's had two years to "communicate" with me.  He has twice subjected me to months and months of not talking about his desires and sexuality, and in the last two years has more than once said to me, "I know I need to communicate more." (He told me about himself three years ago in March.)  But today, he said, "our problem is communication," as if his sexuality has nothing to do with our breakup.   Or as if he is not the one who has failed to communicate--which he blames on me because, he says, he doesn't feel he can talk to me!  Me, who has been the one over and over to ask, how are you feeling, what are you feeling, what is going on with you?  Me, who for some reason I better figure out and overcome participated in his deranged sexuality.
  Don't buy into his baloney, cindys.  
  And certainly DO NOT engage in this pegging activity.  I did.  Not even when you're feeling weak and wondering whether your marriage can't be saved and whether he is what you have seen but can't believe he is.  I engaged in sex on his terms, and in doing so he got ever more selfish and self absorbed, and demanded more and more, and I grew ever more uncomfortable, until I revolted--really, my system revolted at all levels.  My mind said "his version of woman is antifeminist and misogynist" (my stbx wanted to act the part of a woman, he said, by which he meant "penetrated," as if that defines what woman is); my body said, "a dildo is not a body part, and my body cannot talk to his body."  And my soul (or what passes for it, as I am not religious) said, "this isn't intimacy."  
  I am in the same process of divorcing that you are, and I will file those papers in the next few weeks.
   I am 64.  You and I have a lot of life yet, and we will live it free from these damaged men.  They are not "wounded"; they are damaged, and cannot be healed, and they would drag us down with them into their damaged lives.  
  We will find peace.  And we will find happiness. 

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February 25, 2018 10:29 pm  #12


Re: Help Me Please......Doubt

congrats, CindyS - it's such a huge step to take.  I met my gidex when I was 19 and I am 63 now and have been living in my own home for over 4 years now.  I am not going to say it has been a walk in the park but it's been more peaceful from the first night on. 

Do as well as you can for yourself financially.  If you end up with more than your fair share you can always give it back but he is not going to do the same for you.

 

February 27, 2018 7:14 am  #13


Re: Help Me Please......Doubt

Cindy,

It is such a terrible decision to make when one half of the marriage really is not invested in really facing open dialogue about the reality of the situation. 

Do you feel loved and understood?
Do you trust your husband?
Do you feel that you can get what you need from him now that he is obviously NOT giving you a clear and believable story about his sexual history?  The Hep B on one unlucky hookup....sounds a bit unlikely. 

I decided after 27 years that answering no to the above meant that my marriage was not viable.  Had not given me the intimacy that I craved on an emotional level for many years and yet I loved him and it was devastating to divorce. 

Still I struggle to believe that my husband who like yours told me he loved me and always will - has been vicious each time I speak with him the last three years and is now marrying a woman.  But she is making an open choice as he says he was bi curious and now after 20+ years of cottaging is going to marry again.... Jesus.  It is a mind fuck of epic proportions.  Be utterly selfish is my advice....He certainly is. 

It is scary and keep posting as it is wonderful to have this outlet for us all. 

Good luck!

 

February 28, 2018 6:15 am  #14


Re: Help Me Please......Doubt

The advice I receive on this site, keeps me grounded and focused. I have formulated my plan, getting a separate bank account, and getting my finances in order. I had a friend ask me, "Is there anything he could say to you that would make you stay?" Wow.....the answer is ,"NO." 

I know the truth. he is gay and he is a gay man in denial. He will continue to lie and lie and lie. I have nothing more to say to him.  I have no more questions, and I don't want to hear his minimizations of the facts or him blaming me for no communication. 

I am lucky because my job requires travel away from home. But I am also planning a vacation alone for a few weeks........seeing if I can find myself again, figure out who I am........onward.

Always, cindy

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February 28, 2018 7:03 am  #15


Re: Help Me Please......Doubt

More power to you cindys!


Try Gardening. It'll keep you grounded.
 

February 28, 2018 11:14 am  #16


Re: Help Me Please......Doubt

I'm sorry, but when he tells you "Our problem is communication", I'd be soooo tempted to be like, "Well I'm communicating to you that I want a divorce.  Do you understand the woooorrrrddddsss, comin' out my mouth?"

Kel
 


You are not required to set yourself on fire to keep other people warm.
 

February 28, 2018 10:06 pm  #17


Re: Help Me Please......Doubt

Cindys,

This is gut wrenching to me.  This is the type of things my husband said to me.  I was so on the fence and wondering if I was wrong.  He literally talked in circles to the point that I had no idea what was true and what was not.  I think you are so brave to go with your gut and leave (and trusting your gut is a huge thing).  You do still have life to live!  My father in law lost his wife (to cancer) when he was in his upper 60's and found love after she was gone.  You can too!   Everyone deserves to be loved passionately and you are not getting that from your husband.  Gay or not you deserve better.  I wish you the very best and since it is obvious you have a good head on your shoulders I am confident you will get it!

 

February 28, 2018 11:16 pm  #18


Re: Help Me Please......Doubt

After a two week business trip, he returned home.......Now the manipulation continues, he loves me, only had 1 sexual encounter with a man and he found it repulsive, and he was drunk when it happened. Only masturbated for 10 years no other sexual encounters, don't throw 44 years of marriage away, he loves me, tears in his eyes, giving us a chance, I want to make passionate love to you.......etc, etc, etc

Now I am wavering again......just need to pause......or better, yet, "I am going to sit in my shit awhile."

     Thread Starter
 

March 1, 2018 12:02 am  #19


Re: Help Me Please......Doubt

Cindy's,

I have no experience with a remorseful spouse...mine was intent on ending the marraige.

I often fantasized in the very beginning what it would take..she would have to give up all contact with her girlfriend (which she couldn't do)...but then what?  Come near me physically again?  Say she loved me?  But her words and actions were worthless. What proofs could she offer?  If she went out with a female friend would it be two friends shopping or a date?   TGT makes it so horrible and hard to repair. 

Take your time..but don't feel you need to suffer the doubt, anxiety and hurt forever..if you continue to feel that way...one cannot sustain living in that mindset forever..you'll get physically ill.

Wishing you strength, courage and peace


"For we walk by faith, not by sight .."  2Corinthians 5:7
 

March 1, 2018 12:04 am  #20


Re: Help Me Please......Doubt

Cindys,

I heard the same...that he didn't do more than masturbation and when more intimate encounter with men had place, it was very repulsive to him and he made up conclusion that he is not GAY because he did not like it . And that he loves kids and me and he cannot imagine his life without us.
I fell for that bullshit, not %100, because our intimacy died very fast, but I did and stayed with him couple more years to find out more. The only difference was he became super good with hiding stuff, but it came out eventually, or he got tired of hiding it so perfectly.

When I read our stories and see the same pattern, I cannot believe how them( gay spouses) operate. It is almost like the same program was downloaded to all of them.
I cannot believe that their shame about their same sex attraction is so strong that they rather to destroy us, than admit to it. On the end though they destroy even themselves. They just have no remors of it.
That is something I cannot forgive.

So let him be, let him go...
Stay strong, don't let him to manipulate you.
This is your life, your time for desicion and leaving him will bring you peace.
You are not alone. We here with you.

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