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General Discussion » Compass exercise for year ahead.... » December 19, 2020 2:08 am

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Thank you for sharing this! I invited a friend of mine to do this together with me. Tomorrow night we're going to start sharing our compasses over Zoom.
I found going back over 2020 I actually had a remarkable year, and did many interesting things, considering the hot mess of Covid, discovery of perverse, homosexual activities, leaving my husband, and ultimately disclosure from him.
I'm sure doubling up with a psychotherapist and psychologist for the past year, having an incredible support group, has helped immensely. 
I plan on living an ultra-fabulous life moving forward! 
I think he probably did me a favor...I'm sure I'm going to be better off than him, in the long run.
I have nothing on my conscience and did everything in my power to be a loving, supportive wife to a lying, manipulative, fake man. He's a master of disguise and hiding his true identify.
I'm authentic, genuine and I think I will do just fine.
Happy holidays everyone, stay safe!

Strategies for MOM's » Can my marriage survive with my lesbian wife? » December 3, 2020 1:35 pm

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My apologies for my post in this section. I thought it was in another category and not 'Strategies for MOM's' 
Should I delete?

Strategies for MOM's » Can my marriage survive with my lesbian wife? » December 3, 2020 11:28 am

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This is a really sad story and I feel for you. I'm sorry you are going through this. You are fortunate that she is talking about her sexuality.
"She says as a middle aged mum she wouldn't even know where to find someone else. She says she would like to but that it seems an impossible and intangible thing to achieve."
I don't believe this for a second. That's a suspicious statement to me. 

I'd say you have already suffered enough rejection and hurt throughout your marriage, to stay together would be setting yourself up for more pain. Especially because she wants to have sexual relations elsewhere with women and has said that sex with men disgusts her. How could you honestly handle a relationship without slowly dying inside? How lonely and dismal for you.
I'm a few months ahead of you from d-day and I was just as empathetic in the beginning. I think it's shock, our 'unconditional' love, you get into survival mode because your family has been blown up. Now I'm raging because reality is setting in. Having to rewrite my future because of this person that was not honest from the beginning.
I'm sure they know they're gay from a young age, I just think that fear stops them from living that life.
I also think fear is stopping your wife from leaving. Of course it's comfortable to be in a family unit, everyone wants that coziness and taking care of and relying on each other. Especially financially, let's be honest. But what about when she falls in love with a woman and decides to end the marriage? You will be even more devastated than now. 
We need to be extra careful where we invest our love and affection. Especially now that we know the truth. In these cases it feels like all the efforts, and carrying the marriage, were a complete waste of time and not appreciated.
How do they sleep at night knowing how much they hurt us?
I hope all goes smoothly for you. Please be prepared for a very 'rocky road' ahead. Emotions run high and you both need to find good therapists.

Is He/She Gay » A gay ex-husband answers your questions » December 2, 2020 1:43 pm

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Hi Sean,
I thought you'd find the whole hot dog cart scenario amusing! How utterly embarrassing, I was horrified that he would be seen by any one of my friends or family this summer. This is not the man I married! He is an educated professional in his field and this was just so ridiculous to me.

Thank you for your time and words of encouragement and wisdom. We know all too well, that in the thick of the crazy making our critical thinking skills are really off kilter. I will proceed with the divorce and with much caution when dealing with him. 
Take care and stay safe!
Angela


 

General Discussion » Chump Lady's UBT takes on an abusive gay spouse » December 1, 2020 9:11 pm

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I came across this a few days ago and just love the advice from Chump Lady. It’s so true, it doesn’t matter what their messed up, dishonest sexuality is, they are deceiving, lying cheaters and abusers.

I came across these podcasts that are very insightful as well. Don’t let the name Helping Couples Heal deter you, they have excellent podcasts about betrayal and trauma. This one is a conversation with a sex addict.

https://helpingcouplesheal.com/22-the-truth-a-conversation-with-neil-strauss/

Is He/She Gay » A gay ex-husband answers your questions » December 1, 2020 6:23 pm

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There is a very good chance that your in-laws and the other wife already know EVERYTHING...but deny it. There is also the very real possibility that they, like you, are simply trying to come to terms with it all. If you've read some of the posts here, you know that some straight spouses have been so manipulated by their husbands that they even attempt to explain away hard evidence of gay hook ups, frequenting porn shops, and watching gay porn for years. My point is that if you contact the other wife, she might be so deeply in denial that she'll simply turn against you. As I write here time and time again, never jump in the pool with someone who's drowning.

His parents don't know a thing. They live across the country and have not been close to him. My ex-husband doesn't have relationships, it's all superficial and that frustrates his parents. He poses to be a heterosexual Christian, professional man and is actually very believable if you don't know his secrets.
I love that expression "never jump in the pool with someone who's drowning"...I will always keep that in mind.

[b]Walk away my friend. I'm afraid I don't know your husband nor do I have a lot of information about your situation. That said, I'm happy to share my personal experience and advice. My advice is....walk away. You're never going to outwit nor outplay a man who has spent his entire life hiding his sexuality. Most closeted men start hiding their sexuality around age 5 or 6. That's decades of denial, deceit, and manipulation. If your (future ex) husband is anything like I was during my most toxic narcissist days, there is the very real possibility that he's already groomed family and friends to turn against you. (You seem to suggest this when you mentioned your "second marriage.") If, however, you have hard evidence of lewd conduct in a park, this may help you during divorce negotiations although he might even have some farcical explanation for that charge like "I was raped" or "I was drunk beca

Is He/She Gay » A gay ex-husband answers your questions » December 1, 2020 3:42 pm

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Hi Sean,
Thank you for your insight into the Straight Spouse’s situations and your experience on the other side. I have read all 157 pages and found it to be so valuable.
I have a question for you...
I am enraged by the silence that is expected from me. I want to tell my husband’s parents the truth regarding the breakup of our marriage. They have no idea of his random hookups, affair and charge and fine he received in a public park for lewd behaviour. I also want to contact the other man’s wife, that also has no idea what her husband and mine have been up to.
It’s not necessarily revenge I feel, it’s just the unfairness that he is lying and deceiving to everyone around him. I want to be exonerated I guess. To be heard, to be acknowledged that I have been living with a monster for 5 years. A person that posed as a Christian man and an outstanding individual.
I have been in therapy for 11 months but I am a ticking time bomb.
He gets away with a clean reputation while I look like a runaway (this is my second marriage) because I had to flee his abuse. The optics that I don’t value marriage is not a true depiction of my core family values.
I struggle so much with this.
What are your thoughts on telling my side of the story?

Is He/She Gay » The Unbelievable Happened » September 4, 2020 11:09 pm

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I can’t believe my GID husband finally broke down and confessed everything to me. I never thought in a million years I would get a confession. The circle was closing in and he knew he had to come clean. He wanted to talk to me in person and when I went back to our house, I found a broken, shameful man.
He had been so mean by blaming me for being the problem in the relationship. My pride. He’d go on and on like a broken record about my pride and that it turns him off. Very hurtful but I always knew that there was more to his story. You may have read some other posts of mine when I first discovered what he was doing. I used a GPS tracker on his car.
Since he could never have a civil conversation about our marriage, I suggested we use a Google spreadsheet to communicate. I know, how incredibly sad that a husband and wife need to use a Google doc to communicate...because he can’t control his emotions and have a normal conversation.
4 columns. 1. Issues/Problems 2. Thoughts 3. Feelings 4. Feedback
It took only the 2 issue that I got him. I was laying the foundation for my case and he couldn’t take any more guilt and sneaking around I guess. Plus, I told him that I know a lot more than he thinks I do so to just come clean.

He confessed to: cruising parks, receiving oral sex only (he claims he’s never had sex and he never reciprocates oral sex, showing off in steam rooms, gay beaches, sex with 1 woman, although her boyfriend and his friend were somehow there. He says that he actually got charged a few years ago in a park and he had to go to court and pay a $500 fine. He says he doesn’t know the charge. Yeah right. At first he was terrified and humiliated but eventually he went back doing the same thing all over again. He has also gone to sex shops to use ‘glory holes’. He has that creepy friend that I don’t like, both men 55+ and the two of them fool around like little boys by the sounds of it.
He doesn’t think he’s gay, it makes him sick to think

Is He/She Gay » Question for a straight man » July 11, 2020 1:20 am

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Karis, I can’t believe how much our stories are similar. I make those lists too.
My husband was always perfectly manscaped even though we rarely had sex. He was always in the bathroom, he said he has Irritable Bowel Syndrome but I doubt it. Probably from all the gay sex he was having. Always, always in the bathroom on the toilet. I found a douche of his and he said that was for his prostrate, I have found vaseline that he said is for his prostrate, also Cialis he takes daily but again, for that prostrate. You’d think taking Cialis daily would make you interested in your wife but nope. Now he is using ‘Dude Wipes’ for men out in the wild. He also says he has low testosterone if I ask him why he doesn’t have a sex drive. This isn’t true because he did his blood work and it was all just fine. All lies and excuses.
We never had spontaneous sex either. Never after work, never in the morning, he was never aroused seeing me naked and it always seemed like he picked fights with me so that he could storm off to another bedroom and not be intimate. I also understand now why he didn’t want to have sex sometimes. Because he wanted to save himself for the parking lots and hook ups. I found nude photos of himself and he said that he didn’t send them to anyone, he was just fooling around. He goes to nude beaches, he goes to parking lots that are known for gay hookups. I put a GPS tracker on his vehicle and found out within hours that he was lying about his whereabouts. He was going daily, and often twice a day, to different parks and parking lots.
I left him, just 6 weeks ago. He doesn’t know I know all about his secret life. I couldn’t confront him while I was still in the house, too scared of his reaction.
He has been telling me for a while now that the problem with our marriage is that I’m too proud, and he called me a snob, a prude and many other worse things. Oh yeah, that I’m shallow and not authentic and that he doesn’t trust me. All of these thing

Is He/She Gay » I'm struggling today » June 24, 2020 9:02 pm

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[b]being a narcissist alone isn’t enough reason for me to leave him. I don’t know why. [/b]

Oh yes it is enough of a reason!

I know that there has always been something missing in our marriage. I know he doesn’t love me like I see other men love their wives. I feel like I’m at a breaking point. I’m so miserable. I appreciate everyone’s feedback. It means so much to me.


Karis, as in my situation, and many others, take out the gay part in your husband and you are already in an abusive, unhealthy relationship. I'm 100% sure you deserve better than that. Shortly after I left my husband he said to me, "you deserve to be someone's everything and treated like a queen". Imagine that?! 
We know in our heart and soul when we are truly being loved, cherished and desired. I wondered why my husband didn't chase me around the house, didn't react when he saw me naked. It was just the two of us, free as you can be, but not once did we have wild sex after work or in the morning before leaving. Never impulsive, lusty, I gotta have you kind of sex....It's just so devastating when your partner doesn't crave you.
You are miserable and feeling unfulfilled, take care of yourself and rise above this. I

The note I left in the kitchen the day I left him was:

"I've tried, but I can't make you love me the way a husband should love his wife."

You can use that anytime you're ready lol
 
He didn't quite 'get it' he said, but actually I am pretty sure he did.

 

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