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September 19, 2017 12:29 pm  #31


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I have the first status hearing today through the juvenile court for custody, visitation, and child support.  I spent a long meeting yesterday with STBX and a mediator.  I am alternating between amazingly strong and a sobbing mess.  Need some more strength today and to find my voice!  

 

September 19, 2017 1:15 pm  #32


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You'll do great today!  Nothing to worry about.  Be honest with the juvenile court worker and they will see that you are a great parent.  


-Formerly "Lostdad" - I now embrace the username "phoenix" because my former life ended in flames, but my new life will be spectacular. 

 
 

September 19, 2017 2:14 pm  #33


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Tam,
Yeah the parenting plan and custody is a big thing the courts would like out of the way.   It's probably one of the hardest parts in divorce.   I needed my lawyer's help as my ex was at her most hurtful; telling the court I was incapable of taking care of my kids..after I helped her with them the entire marriage and still daily as she spoke.   I crumbled in tears right in front of everyone.  Truly the lowest point in my life.   

I am so glad to be away from someone capable of so much hurt and lies.. it transcended even being gay and cheating on me.    If you can get through the child parenting portion of the divorce the rest is so doable.

Best wishes..strong and stoic.

 


"For we walk by faith, not by sight .."  2Corinthians 5:7
 

September 20, 2017 12:05 am  #34


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It's been a huge couple of days. Mediation and then the first status hearing.  I made it through.  It was terrifying. But it's done. Thanks Rob and Phoenix for the words of encouragement!  I was quite low before the hearing today, it was hard to have those two things in a row, and my nerves and fear were getting the best of me. 

I am a remarkably calm person, but this whole thing has changed me forever!  In gratitude, I know from reading others' posts that it won't feel this raw forever. The last two days I have faced such fear and panic.  Such lies and manipulation.  I truly can't even put it all together at one time, or my heart races.   I have to keep telling myself that I'm ok!  It took hours to stop shaking.  I got home around dinner time and held it together just fine until the last kid was sleeping.  Now I'm rattled again.  I'm trying some of the things I've learned for 2 of my kids who deal with anxiety.  Grounding, meditation, prayer.  Might be a long night.   

Still, I have no doubt I'm doing the right thing.  None.
 

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September 20, 2017 7:08 am  #35


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Tam, All,

I just wanted to say I'm little over a year out  and the shakes have subsided.   I shook for many reasons; anxiety and trauma in the beginning, the antidepressants in the middle,  and pure physical fear toward the end.    It was a horrible physical feeling..uncontrollable sometimes when in the thick of  TGT.

So thankful now...whenever I get depressed I can always look at my hands.  


"For we walk by faith, not by sight .."  2Corinthians 5:7
 

September 20, 2017 8:05 am  #36


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Well done, Tamiam!  I can remember the trauma now and not fall into a sobbing mess.  Huge progress for you to do all that with 5! KIDDOS...  Big YA YOU!  That is another round of washing up the mess done!!  

I'm 18mos past the divorce and it does feel like I am coming out from under a rock.  My GIDX moved out and moved on leaving me with his stuff too...and all the triggers of our family home which I have finally moved out of too which has helped me sooooo much, but I was in the family home alone with no children around.... so that exacerbated my loneliness and dwelling in the past memories.  

I wish you and your family all the best on this rocky road!  Big hugs!

 

 

September 21, 2017 4:50 pm  #37


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What I thought was going to be a long night on Tuesday, turned into a long couple of days.  I've made it through, reasonably functionally.  Thanks Rob and Leah for the perspective.  I think I was hoping to feel a sense of relief after the hearing.  Not worse!  Thanks for helping me see that it's a longer road.  I really need that perspective.

I've been chewed up, discarded, devalued, and maligned by him and he's getting away with it.  That's what really gets me about what we're all going through. But I will walk away from this freer than I have been in years.  My strength will come back. 

I'm in such a precarious financial state, I just can't turn this into a giant battle. 

Exhausted, discouraged, and broke but still there is hope. 
 

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February 23, 2018 12:46 pm  #38


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Hi to all.  I haven't posted much for the last several months, but I wanted to give an update.  Over all, things are improving at home.  I'm a single mom raising 5 kids, slogging through the divorce process. I'll talk more about the divorce process once it's final. 

The kids are doing better. It's still a daily challenge dealing with their emotional pain and intense needs.  The damage done to them by this whole thing is overwhelming.  My job is to provide that steady, safe place for them to heal and grow.  We've had some fun times along with the desperate ones.  My son did have one other hospitalization do to suicidal thoughts and plans, but since then, he's doing better.  All the kids are living at home now.  (I had one living with a family friend for about a year.)  But she's back home now.  

Timeline for me is this:  Oct. 2016, my GID husband came out to one of our daughters.  Told her he had found someone wonderful. She told me, even though her dad asked her not to. He moved in with his boyfriend in Feb. 2017.  Going through the process of divorce now.

I was able to take some time off of work, finally.  I did kind of a half-time leave thing for 3 weeks.  Minimal time at work, but I could be home while the kids were at school.  (What was I thinking!  They've had more snow days and regular days off of school, a couple of them were sick...)  Anyway, those normal things were easier to deal with without the pressure from work over the last 3 weeks.  Today is the last day.  Grateful to be able to do this.  To be honest, I had great plans for the house, cleaning and re-doing things, but I mostly just breathed and thought.  Prayed and made some peace with some stuff.  Also got things done, but it was the first time I've really been able to deal with any of this. 

I worked on the finances, re-did the kitchen table and put up shelves.  Now I have a great place for the kids' artwork.  All the kids are creative and two of them are really remarkable painters.  General organizing.

In therapy, we are all learning to feel again.  With the healing come a lot of ugly.  It's very hard to hear all the abuse that has happened over the years.  I thought it was just me. And I thought it was my fault. We all know what BS that is now.  Same thing was happening to them.  But this GID narcissist made himself the victim and blamed everyone else.  Still does.  But now we know the sinister truth and can process it better.  The three older kids still have no contact with their dad.  Two of them went out for coffee with him a couple months ago.  We'll see what the future brings there.  The younger two have had a very different experience than the older ones, and they still see him.  They like his partner, they say he's really nice, and really funny and that dad is nicer when he's there. 

Just gotta keep going. 
 

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February 23, 2018 3:55 pm  #39


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July 15, 2018 9:13 am  #40


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 At this time, I am 3 full months divorced.   My ex-husband, in October of 2016, decided to “come out” to our daughter who was 14 at the time.   And please to not tell anyone, because that could really damage his partner.  She shattered.  I really thought something traumatic must have happened.  I was thinking maybe something at school.  Keep in mind we have been an extremely open and welcoming family to LGBTQ, so when she said, I can’t tell you – it’s too personal for dad, I was able to guess that he was gay.  It had never entered my mind that he was gay.  Ever. I look back now and I see how carefully constructed that was by him.  From the beginning of our relationship, he was straight.  I would never have dated, much less married someone gay or even questioning. 
I confronted him in just a few days.  We were married 18 years.  We have 5 wonderful kids.  He is abusive.  The personification of Narcissistic Personality Disorder.   I am shaking, just writing this now, in fear of the retaliation if he sees this.  His carefully constructed world is very different from mine.  In his world, the kids are lazy, dirty, disrespectful and so much more…  All things he felt his duty to explain to them to motivate them to change.  He would say, “Well, they were!  Can you honestly tell me they aren’t?”  And point out several conversations where I “agreed” with him.  “Honestly, don’t you remember?”  Enter the “mom is losing her mind” face.  My reality is different.  The kids are amazing young people who have been traumatized in fear of their dad’s disapproval on a good day and fear of his angry outbursts on a bad day.  And for me, I had the wrong hair, wrong clothes, wrong cooking, wrong housekeeping.  Everything about our family revolved around him and keeping him happy, which he of course never was.  My cognitive abilities are just fine, thank you very much.  The first time he wanted to have me tested for early onset Alzheimer’s was in 2002.  I had just had twins and their older brother was 17 months old.   I’m fine.  I know now, he was always threatened by my intelligence. 
When I confronted him about our daughter, he cried.  He actually swooned and could not stay conscious.   For days.  Over the course of a couple weeks, he said he didn’t want me to find out like this.  That he had a two-year plan.  He was indeed seeing somebody. He has always known he was gay. I told him he had to move out now.  That this was not right and not fair to me.  I will not be your closet and you cannot expect that of me.  He was SOOOOOO sorry and yes, I didn’t deserve this.  And he never meant to hurt me.  I believed him then but I do not now. 
He moved out in February into an apartment with his partner.  He could have just walked away.  He could have left it at, “I’m so sorry. I have to live my authentic life.”  But he didn’t.  He spent the next 8 months building up resentment on how it’s all my fault.  Building up a new base where he was the victim.   He went at the kids.  In his world: “Your mother has ruined my life.  Ruined my credit.  Our marriage has been dead for years.  This can’t just all be about me.”  And” Partner’s name  is the love of my life.  I never knew that love could be like this.”  Not to me, but to the kids.   My reality is different.  He could have just left.  I would have been hurt and reeling, but ok.  The smear campaign on me has been unreal.  I didn’t ruin his life.  He built it on a giant lie.  I didn’t ruin his credit.  His father did.  That’s another story.  I have spent the last ten years trying to financially recover from that blow.  Somehow, that became my fault.  I did eventually become too scared to talk to him about things financial.  I have been the main breadwinner our entire marriage.  He has been under-earning the whole time.  Working these huge long hours in his profession, but only being paid for maybe 35-37 hours a week.  And that’s on the high end.  Our marriage wasn’t dead to me.  It was definitely in trouble for the last 4 years, but I truly thought it was my fault because I had been so sick.  (Lupus and fibromyalgia).  I’m remarkably better now that he is gone.  
These tactics did not win the kids over to his “side.”  It just created division.  And more pain.
We started the process of legal separation when he got his apartment.  I had my lease changed to my name only.  That was Feb. 2017 and the divorce was finalized in March of 2018.  I had no money for a lawyer and no resources to borrow money, but we did the mediation route and divorce by ourselves.  I started the process through an amazingly helpful service at our county courthouse through the juvenile court.  They helped me file petitions for custody, child support, and visitation.  15 petitions in total.  It cost me about $35.00.   The divorce part had to go through the circuit court and took much longer and more money.  I would not recommend this route unless you basically can get free legal advice.  I made a lot of mistakes.  Not in the filing, or the how-to’s.  But I unknowingly let my ex get away with way too much.  Too much freedom in visitation and not enough child support.  His sob stories about how poor he is worked on the judge.  Too bad the judge didn’t see his vacation to Europe, and other trips out of the country.  Too bad the judge didn’t see his new Volvo – oh, excuse me, 2 Volvos.  So many excuses, on why he can’t provide for his own children.  He never did.  Why should I expect it now.  (Oh right, it’s all So many excuses, on why he can’t provide for his own children.  He never did.  Why should I expect it now.  (Oh right, it’s all my fault!  *sarcasm) 
So, while he takes his vacations, we don’t have enough food.   Don’t worry, I have a healthy support system in my church family.  (Oh yeah, he hates them too.)  Meanwhile, I adjust to being a single mom.  I sit up with the suicidal kid.  A lot.  I’m there with the kids as they’ve gone through so much therapy.  The abuse was so much worse for them than I ever knew. 
Meanwhile…we have passed some important milestones.   It gets better.  It got worse for awhile, but then it got better.  It took a year and a half.  In that time, the kids and I have learned or are learning:


  •  We’ve been learning to get along better.  Learning to talk, think, feel, communicate for ourselves. 
  • The kids are learning to not hold grudges. This is a very hard lesson. (That was a major tactic of their dad’s, to pull up out of the past a great list of wrongs as proof of his right-ness)
  • To think the best of others. 
  • To not live in fear.
  • To try new experiences.  (We’ve had some success with new traditions at holidays.  It really helps!) 


 
It’s starting to feel more stable.  (That being said, I just took a razor away from my son last night and spent a couple of hours talking him through….stable is relative.)  We do have some really sweet moments.  I love these kids so much.  I’m starting to be able to get some healing in for me now, too. I wouldn’t wish the straight spouse life on anyone.  It’s more than any of us can bear, but with help we do it anyway.   

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