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August 6, 2016 8:43 am  #1


no more doubts now .....

This is sallyfindsout - for some reason the password reset wont allow me to enter

I came to the forum explaining how I am looking for 'proof' ( under 'Support')  - I received several comments back amongst which one ( I believe it was from Rob, but I cant find it any more ) speaking about how if you have to sneak around and snoop that in itself tells you things are very wrong and it is destructive to do it - I totally agree - I felt dirty and uncomfortable doing it and realised ' why should I be sneaking around when its not ME that's doing anything wrong in our marriage ! ' Yet I still required irrefutable evidence to take such a massively life changing step as divorce - not only life changing for me but for my 15 year old son
 
On Monday morning I wrote (under is he/she gay)

''Because I don't want these to be the facts, I have to be aware not to slip into a false sense of  fooling myself into thinking everything being ok, like a kind of self denial - that is in part why I came here as writing the 'symptoms' down ( and there are plenty I have not written but that I can relate to in other's posts ) is an auto confirmation for myself , and it is one of the reasons I am gathering 'proof' ''

By Thursday evening I had it ......no need to snoop ever again.....
I tend never to listen to voicemail as it is usually someone that calls, hears the message then hangs up without recording anything but that day I had inadvertently missed a physiotherapy appointment and wanted to hear the message she had left me....so when I saw a text telling me I had 6 un-listened- to messages I dialled in.

What I heard more than astounded me

My husband unbeknown to him had dialled me and the voicemail service recorded what was going on around the phone ... for an entire 3.5 minutes

Basically he was in the car with a man, looking for a parking space . There were some comments about finding a real space and that it was only needed for about 15 minutes.  Then there was something mumbled about whether to go to his place or the guys and the guy said ' you don't want to come to my place' then clear as day my husband said ' I would love to go to your place and get you on the bed on your back , but you've already had it , and I'd do it again' I'll bang it into the xxx. ' and he fumbled ( trying to think of an excuse when the guy suggested  his place ) but unfortunately ...I would but its complicated I've got a w - and the guy chimed in ' a wife and kids !!!!'  ( guffaws of laughter !!! ) and my husband said ' no' ' no' ' its just very complicated as I say very complicated ... the guy said ' so you're not coming in then' .. to which he replied ' I am coming in' ... and noise as they entered a place with some music in background

So - clear as day - he's done it before, he'll do it again, he'll do it right now - he doesn't have a wife or kids

How brazen ! How dare he deny our existence
Too right he doesn't have a wife ...

No need to snoop - just prepare my exit plan - I wont mention the voice mail - I will save that as the grand finale to nail him with

I know what he is like and how he will react so I am not even going to hang around to confront him - I will write - why make it harder for myself - I need to gather my energies for my new life ahead without sneakiness and distrust - for myself and my son

 

August 6, 2016 9:00 am  #2


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Wow, I felt physically ill for you reading that, I am so sorry. My kids and I too were thrown under the bus over and over again to keep his secret. Our family imploded because he couldn't deal with his sh*. Stay the course, you can do it , and you will find a safe, healthy place for you and your son.

 

August 6, 2016 9:48 am  #3


Re: no more doubts now .....

Wow! I am at the point too that I don't want to confront him anymore!  He always has excuse and then there we go on a big fight of words! I am tired!
I also decided to write my husband!  This time I think that's it!  I can't take it anymore!  I have been in the closet with him for more than 6 years!  Enough is enough!
I need to be myself not him!
What was holding me was my son that has cerebral palsy!  My son is now 20 years!  It's not going to be be easy because all my family are overseas!
Love to read all the posts and commend they encourage me! Thanks everybody to share!

 

August 7, 2016 12:54 am  #4


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Dee - thank you for your kind and encouraging words - finding this place has been a haven - just to know that I am not the only one living such an unreal existence - and the thing is NONE of our friends around us have any clue ( they may think he is rather gay in his ways, actions and style but the actual double life they would never dream of imagining ) so the road ahead wont be easy - but I already feel such a burden off me now that I have made my decision
Fernanda - I am sorry to hear you have been going through this too- writing is the best way when dealing with these snake like people - they are masters at defection and even though the subject is one, they will change it so you end up speaking about something totally different . I am leaving my home till the end of the month this week ( my boy is away on vacation with his sister and brother in law) and from a safe haven I will write him - and I don't care if it seems like a cowards way out - I need to be in a safe place emotionally - I don't want to be subject to his rages and foul mouth and nor do I want to be beguiled by his being distraught and 'repentant' - so distance, for me, is the key - writing enables you to say exactly what you need to say, and to not say what you don't want to - you can draft it and re-read until you have it right . If the time is right for you now, then go ahead and take this action ... I could have done so in my marriage some 9 years ago , but I wasn't in the same place I am now , for different reasons I was emotionally, financially dependant, and in love- not anymore! You have taken care of your son within a 'family' environment and sacrificed yourself for that - now is time for you to be YOU - I really wish you all the very best

Last edited by sallyfindsout (August 7, 2016 12:55 am)

 

August 7, 2016 7:36 am  #5


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Yeah sally..  no contact is key whether you be away from your gay spouse or in the same house with them.

I spent the last year in the same house as my gay raging now ex.  I would not recommend it but financially it helped.  But I longed fora safe haven everyday.  I used to park on the side of road dreading to go home.

Avoiding them by any means necessary. .no contact...helps so much..it is mandatory and necessary. There is nothing we have to say to them anyway..no way to fix what they have done.

May we all find a safe haven away from the abuse and TGT.

PS: I identified so much with the Nicholas sparks book and movie Safe Haven ..which is pretty pathetic for a guy but there it is... I was just short of being physically abused ...if not for my kids I would have fled and changed my name....

Last edited by Rob (August 7, 2016 7:38 am)


"For we walk by faith, not by sight .."  2Corinthians 5:7
 

August 7, 2016 11:34 am  #6


Re: no more doubts now .....

I had sent a post late last evening but can't find it here.  I am a retired female who discovered 2 yrs ago that my partner(male) was also using the CL for soliciting M4M contacts and also found a frontal nude pic of him on his phone, noticed some gay sites and possibly a site for chatting.  When I confronted him, he defiantly denied being gay or bi and was quite angry(prob that I found all this) and after several weeks of my questions, the emotional roller coastering, began etc ...I made him aware that it is/was the lying and betrayal that hurt the most.  I even gave him an out saying that IF he just shared this with me, it might not hurt as much.  Yeah right!  That went nowhere and the "topic" was swept under the rug"...  I guess I'm still in the state of confusion, wondering how he can show me love in so many ways(other than affection and sex), help support me financially and live this lie especially since coming out is not the stigma it used to be.  My only rational answer is that this lifestyle, the way we have it is convenient for him and less stress than worrying about what my family or others might misjudge him to be?  I might add that he has been impotent for our entire relationship(over 10 yrs) or longer and tried Viagra and injections unsuccessfully.  I do know that IF I was actively engaged in sex with him IF he'd probably be out the door for putting my health at risk.  His excuse for being on CL was that he was "breaking chops to some guys"....WTF?  He said he was bored and would never do any of "that" again...never admitting to actively visiting any of these guys, etc.  I guess I'm struggling with whether he actually DID anything but mostly the lying and betrayal.  This was all discovered when I was visiting my sister for 2 wks and I cringe now bc I'm visiting her again(another state) on whether he'd be "out doing all this but more careful with the PC and deleting stuff)....I do love him and he tells me and definitely shows me that he loves me....except for this elephant in the room!  I'm hoping people will suggest or shed some light on this?  I frequently wonder if returning to work(which is difficult for me at this age) would make me feel healthier and more independent IF I should decide living like this is NOT for me....???

 

August 7, 2016 1:04 pm  #7


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Primarily to 'Dear Retired & Lost' but with equal love to other traumatized Str8s  -

Congratulations on your awakening and starting transition from victim to butterfly. Welcome to our forum.  

My heart goes out to you. I suffered a female GID like yours for almost 4 decades. When my son was out and away, I jumped off the Merry Go Round. 

Don’t expect any truth from him.  DON’T BE CAKE.  SSA folk know who they are and what they want - cake. Words are just something they use to keep useful Str8 spouses (beards).
 http://www.chumplady.com/2012/04/the-unified-theory-of-cake/   Another great page there that likely covers myths he’s told you: http://www.chumplady.com/archives/

He’ll say whatever he needs to keep you in place and useful to him.  My GIDXW’s most poignant closing line while gayly packing up to end 3+ decades of marriage was telling me she considered admitting her gay cheating and assuring me she would stop it and be faithful from then on. Then, after she'd patched things she would reassemble her girl posse on the down low. Her sister told her this would be unfair to me. (I miss my sister in law.) 

Eight years out now, I’m a happy, healthy, semi-retired singleton with a loving son and daughter-in-law. 
But I had waited until leaving was a life-and-death matter for me. Having not extricated myself from that intolerable situation, my body got sick to do it for me. Three weeks before divorce I excised a cancerous prostate, another thing set on killing me, ending life dreams of a full on hetero relationship. Since, mouth washes, fillings, root canals, root scrapings, implants, etc are yet cleaning out bacterial community property she brought home.

I understand you’ve invested over a decade building a (false) life with this cheater, so understandably hope when you open your eyes again, all will be different.  That’s common in betrayed, beguiled Str8s.  Your longing is for the LIE he projected NOT the REAL HIM and the CLOSET he’s constructed, which you now see in full light.  

Sadly heard too often on this site “I do love him and he tells me and definitely shows me that he loves me...” Illogical longing for him to be the illusion you want, rather than what he’s now proven to be may be trauma bonding.  When recovered, you’ll appreciate in intimate relationships we need love not dependency.  I know this well.  I stayed frozen, unable to act in my own self interest for decades – the while knowing I was wasting my life for a GIDer with no more regard for consuming me than I had for a carrot on a salad tray. I’m well beyond it now, but after we split, I still missed her! 
 
You might intellectually be able to handle the truth of your situation, but your subconscious (real self) will die trying to extricate you (the beard) from his dark closet you’re tending alongside him.  What you KNOW makes you fully equipped to act in your own self interest, exemplifying to your family that YOUR LIFE is yours to live, not his to use. 

I’ve found old, retired and alone is a vast improvement over old, retired and waking up each morning to stuff feelings anew about living with a dishonest, lying, live-in cheater.  Should you decide to throw this stinky fish back, then when ready cast yourself out there for another relationship, you’ll find hundreds of honest senior guys on community dating sites a heads up, conscious lady might start afresh with. 
 
The choice before you is to grow or wither, live or die. 

Advice: 1) Assemble your professional lawyer, therapist, doctor team, 2) Get him out and away so you have space to grow and 3) keep your sympathy and finances for yourself. 

You have a brilliant new life ahead just beyond your 1) understanding, 2) acceptance, and 3) hard work. 

Pray, exercise, rejoice, get the best lawyer, divorce ASAP, build a wiser life.

Best wishes for a fabulous future. 

- John

 

August 7, 2016 8:15 pm  #8


Re: no more doubts now .....

Thanx John for you insight and suggestions here.  I guess I too am frozen with pieces of denial but it really brings everything to the surface hearing the patterns, lies, betrayal and reasons why he felt he couldn't "come out" to me.  What advantage would that give him....easier to live the lie, have a nice home, community, friends(who I now don't care are straight or gay) and not deal with the stigma many have with family and friends....I'll have to return to work(after I retired) just to pull the mtg payments down and that in itself angers me to no end....but I have to see the freedom not living HIS lie will bring me....I guess me expecting him to come clean is futile at this point....he'd have too much to possibly lose....lotsa emotions when confronted with this hurdle in life but I'm sure I'll find the lesson to be learned....

 

August 8, 2016 9:46 am  #9


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Dear Sallyfindsout and Retired&Lost -

Sally - wow, holy crap!!  First, before you do ANYTHING else, make a copy of that recording.  Three copies.  Keep it in different formats in different places.  Even if you think you will never use it or need it (you will).  He will deny deny deny.  Trust me when I tell you that you will need to listen to it again to remind you that it actually did happen.  Yes, I know that sounds weird but as myself and others here have found out - they will use any tactic to convince you that certain things never happened.  Or that they don't "remember that".  Eventually you will find yourself asking: did I really hear that right?  Maybe it was just him and a friend talking.  Well, I'm here to tell you that keeping that on hand will save your sanity!  I found sexual emails to three different women (ya - women, he was equal opportunity I guess) on an old lap top.  Thank God I had my wits about me and started taking pics of the screen with my phone because that computer was mysteriously and accidentally dropped and destroyed after I confronted him.   The convincing was so good I almost believed it.  Until I reread that shit.

Retired - I'm sorry you find yourself here.  You are correct about there being patterns.  There also seem to be words and phrases that a lot of them use.  A few of yours caught my eye as the same ones my GID ex used.  Like "bored".  Mine used to use that as an excuse all the time.  No, I'm sorry, straight men don't do any of those things when they are bored.  They watch TV or go outside or 9000 other things they can think of other than watching gay porn or talking to gay men on craigslist. 

Another thing about your story that caught my eye was that it is very similar to what happened to my neighbor back when I was a kid (whose 62 year old husband was gay - except no one knew).  She used to go visit her sister in another state.  One time when she was away he went downtown and picked up a young guy in a gay club and took him to their home.  That young man proceeded to kill him by hitting him over the head with one of their lamps and then robbed him and took his car.  Four days later after no one had seen him outside and his wife couldn't get a hold of him my other neighbors went over and looked through the back window - then proceeded to call the cops.  He had been murdered right next door to me as we all slept.  Eventually, the young guy was caught and as the police interviewed more and more people it came to light that he was well known around all the gay bars.  Go figure.  A retired military guy with a wife and three grown sons had a second life for who knows how long.  And apparently every time she went out of town he kicked it up a notch.  That was my first experience ever with a gay in denial spouse.  I was 19.  Who knew it would become a factor in my life once again.

So yes - I think you should probably expect that as soon as you are out of the house he will most likely try to meet up with some of these people.  If you have the funds and you want to know for sure - hire a P.I. while you're gone.  It's not going to stop.  It may get better for a while as he tries to cut back and trick you in to thinking it's not happening.  But it will surface again.  It always does. 

 

August 8, 2016 10:40 am  #10


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I guess I need a good kick in my a....to get me out of this shred of denial I harbor but here's my direct question....is it possible that my partner was actually just "looking and not actively searching/soliciting" for these M4M CL?  I've only come across this discovery once which was 2 yrs ago and nothing ever since(that I'm aware of).....suspicions are always there and tempted to check his PC where I orig. found this but I figured he'd prob. learn to delete by now.. Sorry, but I guess you all have been in this initial shock/denial phase and I just have so much invested in my home and finances with no job prospect, for now....

 

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