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March 25, 2019 11:55 am  #1


Straight Spouse of Crossdresser/Transgender

Hello All!
I am looking for support of others who are or who have experienced marriage with a man, who wants to do crossdress and possibly transition to female. Especially with kids at home. Looking forward to meeting you. I am in the Dallas area and am looking for face to face meetings as well as online support. Just for clarification, he is a lesbian and I am not. This is who I am looking to connect with. Thank you in advance for your help.


BeckyInTexas
 

March 25, 2019 12:45 pm  #2


Re: Straight Spouse of Crossdresser/Transgender

Becky,
 I'm not sure what you're asking.  Are you asking to be supported as you learn to accept your husband's efforts?  Or are you asking for support in the face of the shock and grief your husband's actions have caused you?
 I recommend that you look for the thread here under "support" that is entitled "resource for women who are married to men who come out as transgender."   It's an excerpt from and a link to an article that gives an overview of what it is we face.  (My now-ex is a man who crossdresses and declared himself to be transgender but decided to stay in the closet.)  I have also in many of my posts that reply to other women in our situation suggested other resource material that might help to explain your husband's desire/s.  You can search by name or topic. 

 

March 26, 2019 8:16 am  #3


Re: Straight Spouse of Crossdresser/Transgender

My STBX has fully transitioned, but like OoHC, I'm not sure exactly what kind of support you are looking for.

My kids were in their mid to late teens when my spouse came out. We tried to make it work for a year, but then I asked him to move out. That was several years ago, and we are currently going through the divorce process.

 

March 26, 2019 9:52 am  #4


Re: Straight Spouse of Crossdresser/Transgender

Okay thanks, everyone. Can you tell me where I can learn the lingo? What is STBX, etc. I am not educated what you are trying to share. 


BeckyInTexas
     Thread Starter
 

March 26, 2019 10:18 am  #5


Re: Straight Spouse of Crossdresser/Transgender

Go to the General  Discussion section.  The second thread there is "Forum Jargon for Newbies."  It has the lingo.

 

 

March 26, 2019 10:23 am  #6


Re: Straight Spouse of Crossdresser/Transgender

BeckyInTexas
I sent you a private message.
Thanks-
Control

 

March 26, 2019 11:53 am  #7


Re: Straight Spouse of Crossdresser/Transgender

Thank you! Found it!

OutofHisCloset wrote:

Go to the General  Discussion section.  The second thread there is "Forum Jargon for Newbies."  It has the lingo.


 

 


BeckyInTexas
     Thread Starter
 

March 26, 2019 12:01 pm  #8


Re: Straight Spouse of Crossdresser/Transgender

The support I am looking for finding others who are in a situation or a similar one that is I am in. Here is where I am at:
Married a man who wants to be a woman full time possibly. Not sure about surgery or just full time. Started as a crossdresser. Going to counselling now as a couple and individuals after 10 years after she appeared and was not leaving.  If he becomes a woman, I do not believe I can stay with him as a wife. I am straight. He is my best friend and this is the only thing that is "wrong" with my marriage. We have two kids 11 & 14 so they will be losing a dad. Been married 21 years and was not aware of the feminine persona until about 10 years ago. Swore I would never get divorced, but I never imagined this scenario. Looking for those who have stayed and those that left. I want to see and hear the events that have transpired for inspiration and planning for the next chapters if needed. Hopefully, that is more clear.  Thank you in advance. 


BeckyInTexas
     Thread Starter
 

March 26, 2019 4:56 pm  #9


Re: Straight Spouse of Crossdresser/Transgender

Becky,
    I left.
    The short version of my story is this: My husband came home in March 2015 after 32 years of marriage and said he had decided he was a woman ("a woman in a man's body" he said), was going to "transition" to live as a woman, wanted to take female hormones and have his testicles surgically removed.  He had for years been "experimenting" in secret, including by fishing my discarded underwear and bras out of the trash and wearing them around.  We had a son in his early 20s, and when I asked about what he was planning to tell our son, he simply ignored the question.     
      He later decided he would continue to live publicly as the man he is, but to act out his desire to pretend he was a woman at home.  He expected me to live in his closet, which I did and do to varying degrees to this day.  (I do so now only at work, and unwillingly, under a gag order from our workplace, because he also works there, and his "gender expression" is protected.)  He also expected me, in the divorce, not to tell our son the truth about why we were divorcing.  I compromised, by telling our son that people don't get divorced after 35 years while in their 60s simply because they "grow apart," and there was an issue with his father's that was his father's to tell him, and he could ask, although I already knew his father would tell him "some things are private."  I regret that now, a year later, and wish I'd told our son the truth, which I had intended to do and was bullied out of by my husband's raging at me.

   My ex, too, decided he was a lesbian, and that in our sex life I must not expect him to "act male."  His version of "acting female," however, was a man's porn fantasy of a woman: submissive, passive, "do what you will with me," "I need you to fuck me."  He wanted me to sit on his face so he could immerse himself in "woman."  

  It became clear very quickly that his desire to be a woman had everything to do with a sexual fantasy life and nothing whatsoever to do with the day to day life of woman as I and every other woman I know lives it. 

   He grew ever stranger, more demanding of me, and more entitled.  He moved the goalposts of what he had agreed to in terms of expression.  He acted in secret.  He shut down communication with me and kept me from talking by treating my every expression of discomfort or doubt as an attack.  He opted to try to manipulate me rather than discuss what he wanted.  He resented me for my femaleness even as he claimed he desired me.  In terms of sex, I grew to believe I was merely a prop in a scene he was scripting and acting out for himself, and it made me physically sick when he told me, for example, that he imagined the glans of his penis was a clitoris.  I realized that I had convinced myself to go along with things in the spirit of "helping my male husband act out his fantasies," but that my husband was rejecting his maleness (he also told me "I hate my penis and balls swinging between my legs," and did so deliberately to hurt me, because he knew I loved and wanted him as a man).  

  Still it took me almost three years to work up to being able to divorce him, to get past the initial shock and my desperate attempts to save our marriage (including sexual acts I am now ashamed I engaged in), and to do the emotional and psychological work necessary to contact a lawyer and to leave and initiate the divorce.  As part of that work I had to research transness, as I had only the vaguest liberal idea of it, and I read a lot, "affirmative" stuff as well as the feminist gender critical side, plus the psychological literature.  

   I think I've posted this elsewhere, but here's my current list of what I found helpful reading:

Academic and Professional:
  Michael Bailey, "The Man Who Would Be Queen."  It's available online and downloadable.  Bailey is a research psychologist at Northwestern Univ.
 
 Donna Chapman and Benjamin Caldwell: “Attachment Injury Resolution in Couples  When One Partner is Transgender”
Journal of Systemic Therapies, Vol 31, No. 2, 2012, pp36-53
(full text of article available online)

  Anne Lawrence, "Men Trapped in Men's Bodies/Becoming What We Love."  Lawrence is a trans person and an MD, a psychologist who treated (now retired) trans identified males.  Lawrence maintains an online presence and there are articles there.
 
http://www.annelawrence.com/autogynephilia_&_MtF_typology.html
 
4th Wave Now: a website for parents of mostly girls who suddenly declare they are transgender.  4th Wave maintains a wonderful set of academic resources.  
 
Memoirs/Accounts by Wives
 
Those who left:

 Christine Benvenuto: "Sex Changes."     A memoir

   “Naeferty”  (a pseudonym)  Naeferty ran a blog about her experiences with her own trans identified male partner.  Read the post "Gas Light Six" and the comments.
 
A podcast: How my ex-husband’s transition made me feel
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/p06xvbsc

Also, I was helped immensely by "whatasham" here on the SSN; you can read her posts if you search for her name.

I've not listed any gender critical feminist writers, because they are theorizing and not living the experience, but there are a quite of a few now, many of them British: Jane Clare Jones has a good website. 

If you're looking for accounts by wives who stayed, you'll want to look up Helen Boyd, author of two memoirs about her husband "Betty."  I personally think she's drunk the trans koolaid, but because you asked for those who stayed, I'm supplying her name. 

  

Last edited by OutofHisCloset (March 26, 2019 5:18 pm)

 

March 27, 2019 7:30 pm  #10


Re: Straight Spouse of Crossdresser/Transgender

Becky, 

Much like OoHC, goals changed a lot in my relationship.  First there was a vague, "I really like pink, and bubble baths, and feminine things."  Then there was women's clothing.  For a long time he said he never intended to transition, he just wanted to express his feminine side.  He said he never wanted to express this side in public, bt then I found out he was wearing visible make-up in public.  Like for OoHC the goalposts moved progressively closer and closer to transitioning.  Sexually, we weren't compatible any longer.  I want a masculine partner.  Eventually he said he needed to leave and live as a woman.  

I tried to make it work for a long time. LIke with you, he was my best friend.  I tried to psych myself into being ok with the leg shaving, make-up, and women's underwear and outer clothing.  At some level I really, really hoped it was a phase, some kind of mid-life crisis, something that would go away once he got over the obsession with all things hyper-feminine. Meanwhile, he became more and more emotionally needy, overwrought, and fixated on gender identity issues.  Communication became terrible, he detached himself from our relationship, and he essentially made me into his barrier to happiness (because if he transitioned our marriage would be over). 

As you can see, it didn't go away, it was not a phase. In fact, I gather he feels liberated and better about himself these days and is about to get a new drivers' license with female gender noted on it.  The divorce has just become final.  

Will it go this way for you?  I can't say.  My advice is to keep going to the counseling and also plan for contingencies.  Make sure that if you do divorce you have a plan in place, resources, and support. I was reluctant to seek support for a long time because, well, if it turned out to be a phase did I really want my friends picturing him in nail polish, make-up, and panties when they saw him next?  Disregard that fear - find support from people you trust.  

Since things truly ending it has been alternately a relief, a new start, and sad.  What I kept saying through the process was "I wish things were different from how they are."  I didn't want him to be horribly unhappy if he was truly trans, I also hoped he wasn't trans; this just wasn't at all in my plans for life. I wanted the man I had married back but I didn't want this stranger who replaced him in my marriage.  That man turned out to be no longer an option and I am working on moving on. 

He knew that if he transitioned our marriage was over, he also wished I could accept him as a lesbian female and be great with that.  As it became increasingly clearer that he needed to transition he became angrier, more hostile, and more withdrawn. I have to say that while gender issues started the decline in our relationship, it was ultimately lack of communication, secretiveness, and emotional demands that really drove the final nails. 



 

 

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