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November 27, 2018 4:04 pm  #1


So many feelings!

I’m not even sure what I’m hoping for by posting this….  I’ve been feeling just overwhelmed lately and I know you’ll understand.

I focused a lot on the cheating aspect of my marriage and I’ve been a member on a different site dealing with those feelings.  That part still hurts (and will for a long time) but I realize that I haven’t worked through TGT as much as I need to.  As a new official member, I haven't really posted so I guess I've got a lot to talk about....

I’m so frustrated at my GIDH’s “rhetoric”, if you will.  How can he go on and on about liking gay sex but claiming he’s not gay??  My mind is just blown.  I tried suggesting to him that perhaps he just hasn’t met the right man but he simply claims that every time he’s been in a relationship with a man, it didn’t feel right.  Of course my counter is how can it feel right to be with a woman when that’s not what you really want physically?  How can that possibly be better??  ARGH!  I’ve also been in relationships with men that just didn’t feel right.  Because they weren’t!  Doesn’t mean I find a different sex to be in a relationship with, it means I search for the right fit with the sex I’m attracted to.  Right?  Crazy?  (Though clearly my ability to find the right fit should be called into question!)

I know I just need to quit worrying about him and his reasons, excuses, etc. but it’s so hard.  At least it’s proving hard for me.  I feel BAD identifying him as gay when he doesn’t identify himself as such.  I feel BAD being the one who wants out of this relationship when he wants nothing more than to make it work.  I feel BAD that I filed for divorce.  I just feel BAD all the time about most everything.  I don’t want to be the bad guy but even after he cheated on me for over half of our marriage and is extremely sexually confused at best, it’s turning out that I’M the one who’s wrong.  I’M the one destroying our marriage.  I’M the one breaking up our family and hurting our children.  He’s just a victim in all this.  WTF???  

Do they really believe they’re not gay?  Like really truly?  Or is it all complete bullshit and he’s just trying to keep me on the hook? 

How do I just let all this go?  I’m so exhausted.

 

November 27, 2018 4:34 pm  #2


Re: So many feelings!

OpenWound wrote:

......I know I just need to quit worrying about him and his reasons, excuses, etc. but it’s so hard. 

Soon as the mists clear and you realise focusing on him gets you nowhere....and stop listening to him "go on and on about liking gay sex but claiming he’s not gay" and stop suggesting and advising him about his life....it'll be like somebody has flicked a switch. You should not be feeling BAD for him!
It's a different timeline for everybody, there's no hard and fast rule but when the mindset shifts to focusing on you it's another step forward

Last edited by Ellexoh_nz (November 27, 2018 5:44 pm)


KIA KAHA                       
 

November 27, 2018 6:02 pm  #3


Re: So many feelings!

OpenWound wrote:

I’m not even sure what I’m hoping for by posting this….  I’ve been feeling just overwhelmed lately and I know you’ll understand.

I focused a lot on the cheating aspect of my marriage and I’ve been a member on a different site dealing with those feelings.  That part still hurts (and will for a long time) but I realize that I haven’t worked through TGT as much as I need to.  As a new official member, I haven't really posted so I guess I've got a lot to talk about....

I’m so frustrated at my GIDH’s “rhetoric”, if you will.  How can he go on and on about liking gay sex but claiming he’s not gay??  My mind is just blown.  I tried suggesting to him that perhaps he just hasn’t met the right man but he simply claims that every time he’s been in a relationship with a man, it didn’t feel right.  Of course my counter is how can it feel right to be with a woman when that’s not what you really want physically?  How can that possibly be better??  ARGH!  I’ve also been in relationships with men that just didn’t feel right.  Because they weren’t!  Doesn’t mean I find a different sex to be in a relationship with, it means I search for the right fit with the sex I’m attracted to.  Right?  Crazy?  (Though clearly my ability to find the right fit should be called into question!)

I know I just need to quit worrying about him and his reasons, excuses, etc. but it’s so hard.  At least it’s proving hard for me.  I feel BAD identifying him as gay when he doesn’t identify himself as such.  I feel BAD being the one who wants out of this relationship when he wants nothing more than to make it work.  I feel BAD that I filed for divorce.  I just feel BAD all the time about most everything.  I don’t want to be the bad guy but even after he cheated on me for over half of our marriage and is extremely sexually confused at best, it’s turning out that I’M the one who’s wrong.  I’M the one destroying our marriage.  I’M the one breaking up our family and hurting our children.  He’s just a victim in all this.  WTF???  

Do they really believe they’re not gay?  Like really truly?  Or is it all complete bullshit and he’s just trying to keep me on the hook? 

How do I just let all this go?  I’m so exhausted.

Yup! Only 6 weeks from discovery of my ITC, GH, TransH. Feeling the same as you. It's so hard to sort out emotionally when we are being unfailingly honest and they are not. It's a bit crazy making, and I agree exhausting and overwhelming. All I can do is offer my support and total understanding. I've posted, will look at the post answers to our posts for guidance. I can say I absolutely look forward to moving, filling the divorce and gaining some help to focus on myself and move through all of the many feelings surround the demise in what I thought - and everyone around us thought was the best marriage. Oy Vay!!! Guess we're going to have to focus on ourselves when the things outside of ourselves make no sense. 
 

 

November 27, 2018 6:40 pm  #4


Re: So many feelings!

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November 28, 2018 10:28 am  #5


Re: So many feelings!

OpenWound wrote:

I know I just need to quit worrying about him and his reasons, excuses, etc. but it’s so hard.  At least it’s proving hard for me.  I feel BAD identifying him as gay when he doesn’t identify himself as such.  I feel BAD being the one who wants out of this relationship when he wants nothing more than to make it work.  I feel BAD that I filed for divorce.  I just feel BAD all the time about most everything.  I don’t want to be the bad guy but even after he cheated on me for over half of our marriage and is extremely sexually confused at best, it’s turning out that I’M the one who’s wrong.  I’M the one destroying our marriage.  I’M the one breaking up our family and hurting our children.  He’s just a victim in all this.  WTF???  

Do they really believe they’re not gay?  Like really truly?  Or is it all complete bullshit and he’s just trying to keep me on the hook? 

How do I just let all this go?  I’m so exhausted.

I could have written this post word for word. I'm feeling the exact same way. How can someone seek out homosexual encounters and then turn around and say he's not gay. It's total BS. But, I know for a fact that if I told someone in my life what was happening, they'd say "How can you even waste one minute worrying about his sorry ass? He pulled you into his problems and ruined your life in the process." And I know that person would be right. But yet, here I still sit, worrying about how he'll fair if I do divorce him. I worry about stupid stuff like "where will he go for holidays?" And really, why should I care? Actions have consequences and sometimes those consequences suck.

I guess that's my long winded way of saying "you're not alone in this!!" 

*hugs*

 

November 28, 2018 5:30 pm  #6


Re: So many feelings!

feeling bad about identifying as gay is a double whammy.  whereas you might find a fair bit of support for wanting to divorce a cheating lying husband you are unlikely to find much support for identifying him as gay.  It completely sucks but as a general social thing we all tend to be reluctant to identify as gay a person who isn't self-identifying - it's a great big can of worms and people can get extremely upset.

I found like a lot of us do that I needed to say my ex was gay.  I have no regrets for doing so it was necessary to not keep his secret for my own sake but I told very few of the people that know him and still haven't.  basically to sum up - people in general are thingy about it.

but a lot of the feeling bad in terms of ending your marriage is manipulative.  you are likely to find you feel quite the opposite after you have got away from him.

everything got a lot easier for me when I could stand back and observe him rather than being in manipulation range.

 

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November 28, 2018 11:05 pm  #7


Re: So many feelings!

openwound wrote; 
"I feel BAD identifying him as gay when he doesn’t identify himself as such.  I feel BAD being the one who wants out of this relationship when he wants nothing more than to make it work.  I feel BAD that I filed for divorce.  I just feel BAD all the time about most everything.  I don’t want to be the bad guy but even after he cheated on me for over half of our marriage "...

First;   I think feeling BAD to some degree  is normal and OK..  There would be something wrong with you  (us)  if  you did not have remorse, empathy, sadness etc.    This makes us who we are...we love , we feel, we have honesty and integrity, we gave true fierce love.      And that is the difference between us and them.

Second,     
They may make us feel bad about the divorce  but ;  it is pomp and circumstance..  They knew what they were doing when they cheated , they knew it was wrong and what it could cost..and they did it anyway.
They,  in that moment,  chose.     They really divorced us long ago...    Us or them filing the divorce is just a formality or consequence of what they did.   

They have en-grained in us to take responsibility and to feel bad for everything..  But this we cannot own.
This is not us leaving them,  this is them rejecting us.

 


"For we walk by faith, not by sight .."  2Corinthians 5:7
 

November 29, 2018 10:02 am  #8


Re: So many feelings!

Amazing advice and compassion in the posts above. 

OpenWound wrote:

Do they really believe they’re not gay?  Like really truly?  Or is it all complete bullshit and he’s just trying to keep me on the hook? 

How do I just let all this go?  I’m so exhausted.

I want to try to address these really hard questions.  This is just personal opinion of course, but it's formed by my life experience and the collective stories and conversations I've taken part in here on this forum. 

Do they really believe they're not gay?   
I'll frame this a little differently..  The answer is that they don't want to be gay and they refuse to accept and own it.  This is why we refer to them as GID (Gay in denial). 
Being gay in our society is not desirable.  I don't mean that in a derogatory way, it's just a simple truth that gay people are still discriminated against, treated poorly and even threatened.  Most people who come out still have family members reject them.  So it's understandable that they don't want to admit to being gay.  They don't want the world to know.  So they will lie about it at all costs.  
Here's a key point:  People who are GID will separate the outward and public lifestyle from the internal makeup of homosexuality.  What I mean is.. they will convince themselves that simply having a same-sex attraction doesn't make them gay.  They take the meaning of "gay" to be the outward lifestyle..  How we stereotype gay people - living openly with a same-sex partner, moving to a certain part of town, going to gay bars and drag shows, etc.. They make themselves believe that as long as they continue to live and be seen by society as as straight person, they can keep their attraction and maybe do a little cheating in private and still not be "gay". 
Only your husband knows this for sure.. i'm only guessing based on experience, but he most likely has a same-sex attraction and wants to watch gay porn and have secret meetings with other gay guys so that he can fulfill his physical attraction, but he absolutely does not want to let the world know that he is gay.  He refuses to admit to himself that he is actually gay.  He will deny it and lie about it until he finally feels safe and ready to let the world see him for who he is.  


How do you let this go?:
You are doing the right things.  Seeking out help, support and advice from others.  Spending time thinking about these things will help you process it.  I hope (and strongly recommend) that you find a therapist to help you unpack all of these emotions.  Please know that you might never get the truth and many of your questions will never be answered.  But that's OK.  I want you to realize that this isn't your fault.  This situation doesn't define you.  His monkeys - his circus..  At some point you will let this go because you won't be in love with him anymore and his actions will no longer impact you or define you.  Just be kind to yourself and give it time.  You'll get there!

 


-Formerly "Lostdad" - I now embrace the username "phoenix" because my former life ended in flames, but my new life will be spectacular. 

 
 

November 29, 2018 12:14 pm  #9


Re: So many feelings!

OpenWound wrote:

I know I just need to quit worrying about him and his reasons, excuses, etc. but it’s so hard.  At least it’s proving hard for me.  I feel BAD identifying him as gay when he doesn’t identify himself as such.  I feel BAD being the one who wants out of this relationship when he wants nothing more than to make it work.  I feel BAD that I filed for divorce.  I just feel BAD all the time about most everything.  I don’t want to be the bad guy but even after he cheated on me for over half of our marriage and is extremely sexually confused at best, it’s turning out that I’M the one who’s wrong.  I’M the one destroying our marriage.  I’M the one breaking up our family and hurting our children.  He’s just a victim in all this.  WTF???  

I think one of the toughest things, for me, was to realize that the guy who had been in charge of our family's finances, lifestyle, everything ... the guy who was the smartest guy in the room, the guy who went to an Ivy League school and worked at the top of his profession ... had so thoroughly tampered with the mechanisms of decision-making all these years, and I never saw it at all.  The guy who supposedly had the best interest of me and my daughter, actually had intentionally and knowingly disabled his own internal alarm-system.  

I think a lot of us went through this process ... it's incredible to us that he should actually believe what he appears to believe right now.  It means that we've placed our trust, and our family's well-being, in someone with the impulse control of a three-year-old.  Nobody, and I mean nobody, could possibly fail to see the complete illogic of some of the arguments my husband has made in his own defense.  It's stunning.  If I were to write this story, nobody would believe me.

I have had to coach myself, over and over, not to worry about what my husband thinks any more.  Sometimes I'm successful and sometimes I'm not.  I've put his best interest front and center for so many years, it's hard to disconnect that impulse.

 

December 1, 2018 10:27 am  #10


Re: So many feelings!

OpenWound

I hear you and I agree with all above. I’m going through the same. I’ve confronted him about what I’ve seen (gay hookup sites) and he denied. Wants nothing more to stay with me and work it out. Believes it’s both of our fault that we are here in our marriage!! Thinks if I weren’t too cold he wouldn’t seek these encounters (yet denies seeing anyone in person). 

As Rob said, it’s normal to feel bad. You are a loving person. But not until you put yourself first, you can’t help him. He doesn’t want to loose you because that means he has to deal with reality.

You’ve got this!

 

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