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October 16, 2018 10:53 pm  #1


For those of you who've confronted your GID spouse...

What was that like?

I'm not ready to disclose to my gay husband that I know what he's been doing (watching a lot of gay porn, movies, etc) but I plan to next summer. Confrontation now is just not an option. In the meantime, I play in my head often what that moment will be like. A fit of rage in a park or at the beach? A calm discourse at a restaurant? At home with a Costco size tissue box?

How did you face off with your GID spouse/partner?

Thank you for reading this.

 

October 17, 2018 10:07 am  #2


Re: For those of you who've confronted your GID spouse...

Hi Daisy,

I’m glad to see you are still around.  Have you been reading any of the old threads on here?  Any of Sean’s thread?  I went back to read your initial posts to refresh my memory of your story (you’ve talked about your increased alcohol consumption and stuff).  This next year will absolutely eat you up, if you don’t find sone counseling or someone to talk to to get you through it (we might be enough),   

I’ve written very honestly on my story and my first long thread, about my experiences with my GID, XH.  But i will try to give you a shorter answer about my experience (for me it’s nit a simple answer)  Please keep in mind the DENIAL part of GID, my XH was about your husbands age when I first confronted him as well. /he is now 59 and still in denial.

At 18yrs in, I had no “proof” other then a lot of ED “issues” on his part (excused by his ever increasing pain pill addiction).  I was deflected by that and the thought had not occurred to me.  He ended up in rehab.  I was excited that he could have an overnight pass and was planning on getting a hotel.  His gay therapist told me ‘that’s not a good idea”. I said why not, he’s clean and sober.  It’s our 18th wedding anniversary, we have t had sex in ages.  She then told me, “well there are other issues”. Would not elaborate and told me to talk to him.

So at a table , outside in the facilities garden I asked him “please just tell me the truth, are you gay?”  He bawled and cried.  NO.  But then bawled and cried that his entire life had been a lie, that he had spent his entire life trying to make women happy.  Etc etc etc.  I’m sure I pushed, but his answer was no.  I was pretty much told to stay away while he was in rehab.

All the details are kind of fuzzy now, that was May of 2011.  I know when he came home we ended up in couples therapy (I’m sure at my insistence).  I tried to talk about our sex life (or lack thereof)  and his response was to storm out screaming “it’s just sex”.  Bear in mind, at that point he was the love of my life, my best friend, blah blah blah.

He became a very angry, nasty man.  I was focused on trying to fix him.  My mind was all, ok he was a catholic alter boy, blah blah blah.  I really can’t remember how many times I tried to talk to him.  But after he brutally killed my dog. I threw him out.  Oh man Daisy, I’ve written this all before.  I was getting a divorce period.  But he would t go away. he needed me, I was the love of his life.  Love bombed me with the best sex in years blah blah blah.  I took him back.

I’ll just skip to the end, four years later.  Retired living in the country.  I would walk into the den and get a brief glimpse of something disgusting on the computer.  He would close it, I would try to talk about it.  He would dismiss it and tell me I didn’t see what I thought I saw.  By the time he was living in the guest room with a collection of dildos. I didn’t care anymore, I was in the verge of suicude and had nothing to live for. I finally got into my own therapy and found the courage to leave.    I left and filed for divorce.  Nothing mattered, house, money, stuff. I just needed to start a new life.

When I came back for one weekend to get some things and work out our divorce.   I borrowed his iPad and it was all gay porn.  I showed it to him and said can’t you just admit the truth.  He closed the iPad walked away and got stoned saying nothing.  Then flew off into a psychotic rage.   If you’re ever bored read my story, after the divorce he literally tried to kill me.

So honey. That was my story. Maybe someone else can tell you they approached their GID husband and got amazing honesty.   Ive read a few, I can’t.  I’m just asking you to prepare yourself for whatever fantasy you might be imagining in your mind how this is going to go.  Might not go like you think.   Others will say you have to do this in your own time.  Yup, I took my sweet ass time.  Years coming out of my own denial, fantasies , years spent living a hell because I was too paralyzed to act.  Too angry and upset over wasting my life, etc.  waiting for an admission and apology from him.

You ask “how did you face off”.   I did it many many times and for me, at the end I was facing a loaded gun.  He hated me because I knew the truth, a truth he had been hiding his entire life and still is.

Blessings honey, take care of you.

 

October 17, 2018 2:55 pm  #3


Re: For those of you who've confronted your GID spouse...

Hi Daisy.

I've also written about my discovery, which actually took place over a few months.  Like you, I didn't say anything at first -- I wanted to control the timing, and I wanted to think through exactly how I wanted to present the issue.

I had no idea what to expect, and the reaction 4everdamaged describes was definitely one of the many scenarios I was worried about.  It didn't play out that way for me, but it is something we all need to recognize as one possibility.  So I was trying very hard to get away from the language of "confrontation" knowing that "confrontation" with my husband was likely a one-way ticket to hell.

I needed a few months to work things out in my own mind, but also in the interim I did some snooping and discovered things had gone much further than I would have originally suspected.  My new mantra is "knowledge is power" and you need to be clear-eyed and know as much as you can know before you initiate this conversation.

So I didn't want a "confrontational" approach, and I rehearsed in my mind how to make it more conciliatory. 

Second, I found a way to make it "all about him" since everything in this marriage from day one has been all about him and his needs and his happiness.  So I used that to my advantage.

Third, I used a tactic that telemarketers use when they call with a script: don't give the other person an opening to interrupt and divert the discussion.  Don't ask questions, or request explanations.  It's only an invitation to more lying and dissembling.  Do like the telemarketers do -- at most, make a statement and say "don't you agree?" at the end.  

Fourth: don't tell him HOW you figured it out.  Don't give away your methods, and don't give away how much you know already.  You know enough to know that he's gay.

So I picked my day well in advance, and when that day came, I was shaking from head to toe but I forced myself to go upstairs, turn off the radio, sit down, and just come out with it.  I said "I have only recently come to understand that you've been living a double life, and I've also only recently come to understand how deeply involved you are and how long this has been going on.  You cannot possibly be happy."

That's what I meant about a conciliatory, non-confrontational approach.

He actually turned out to have a rehearsed speech ready, which I imagine he'd been preparing for years.  He said it would be easier to discuss if I just told him how much I'd figured out, and I responded with complete and absolute candor: "You have a longstanding history of only confessing to stuff you know you've already been caught at, so I'm not going to discuss how much I've figured out or how I know."

That's what I mean about not giving him an opening to challenge your proof, to gaslight you, to debate the nuances of what you found and what it means.  You know what he's been doing.  By next summer, you may have also found out that he's been acting on these attractions.

I had also given a great deal of thought to what I wanted to happen going forward, again, using the tactic where he doesn't get to debate me over whether or not I can be persuaded to buy a more innocent interpretation of the facts.  This is a really good exercise for you to get through -- the question you should be facing is "What do I want next?"  You're nowhere near being in a position to answer that, but you're smart that you're taking this time now.

In my case: I told him that our daughter would have to be told, and it would be better if he told her himself but if he couldn't do it, I was going to do it myself on a certain date.  I told him that I wanted to be more involved in our financial decisions, and that I wanted to see all of our account statements.  I told him I hadn't yet decided what I wanted to do about the marriage, but that I would not be lied to in my own house -- that was an automatic dealbreaker for me.

All in all, there were some surprises for me.  My husband was very calm and conciliatory, and took full responsibility.  He may have spent a bit too much time wallowing in self-pity, but at least he didn't blame me.  He told me (in his obviously rehearsed speech) that he'd "always known" that he was "bisexual" (a characterization I would have challenged, but I let that slide).  So he had been lying to me from day one of our marriage.

That was a shock, because I had assumed he was somehow in denial the whole time.  It wouldn't ever have occurred to me that he knew all along and didn't care.

I learned that he did not consider lies of omission to be the same thing as lies.  Thus, he didn't think he was lying to me by stringing me along pretending to be straight.  I shot that one right down, but in later conversations he has tried the same lame tactic with me.  It's part of why I did ultimately conclude that the marriage would have to end: I'm not going to stay married to someone who is dishonest with me.

I was deeply shocked at the level of self-pity and narcissism he displayed.  That was not something I was expecting at all.  For example, he had cut me off sexually twenty years ago, without explanation, and I spent twenty years thinking he had ED (exacerbated by alcoholism).  So when he was explaining himself in this conversation, he said "Was I supposed to be celibate?" as if I had somehow forced this choice on him, and not the other way around!  And when I pointed that out to him, that he'd forced me to be celibate, he responded "But how would that have been fair to ME?" as if the sheer logic of that was so self-evident that I could hardly fail to be persuaded by it.

So anyhow, my takeaway from this whole discussion: I think you have to be prepared for any reaction (including something like 4everdamaged's experience) and if possible try and present things in a way that avoids confrontation -- but at the same time don't be so timid about avoiding confrontation that you fail to call him out on his BS if he tries it.  Try to work out a way to frame the issues so you head off any discussion of whether YOU are imagining things or over-reacting or just plain wrong and suspicious and all that.

We're all here for you.

 

October 19, 2018 8:13 am  #4


Re: For those of you who've confronted your GID spouse...

To 4everdamaged and walkbymyself, thank you so much for your thoughtful responses, they mean the world to me and I can't thank you enough. I've read A LOT on this site and most days it puts me in tears. I have reached out to a face-to-face SSN groups in my area - we're just getting started but I can see how much this support will benefit me. You've given me a feast for thought in your posts.

Walkbymyself, your question after I disclose what I know to my GIDH is one that weighs heavy, "What do I want next?" or another way to phrase it, "How do I be me?" I've known this man 36 years, married 26 of those years. I don't know how to be me or what I want. I guess my wants will start with honesty. NO MORE LIES. I will have time over the next several months to figure it out and find my way out of this black hole. In the meantime, I have to find creative ways to dodge my gay husband. Our marriage now is copacetic - we get along on the surface as he has no idea the storm raging inside me. Having to consider all my possible outcomes and how I disclose what I know will keep that rage in tow. I'll be reading your posts over and over again for support. Thank you.

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October 19, 2018 12:38 pm  #5


Re: For those of you who've confronted your GID spouse...

Yeah, I think the biggest issue for me was that even with everything I'd gone through with this man ... I couldn't see a marriage surviving if one person is dishonest.  

 

October 22, 2018 12:28 pm  #6


Re: For those of you who've confronted your GID spouse...

Daisy,

Your welcome.  I wish you all the best, glad to hear that you have access to a face to face group.  I’ll be gone for a few weeks, not going to be reading or thinking about this stuff on my delayed honeymoon, lol!

2naive, THANK you for posting!!!

 

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