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March 12, 2018 4:48 pm  #1


GID Seperation

I finally quit crying wolf and told my GID husband we were done. It's been one month since then and 3 days since he moved out. We were stuck in the cycle of him not being intimate with me eventually I would become depressed, i would reach a breaking point and tell him something had to change our marriage is dying. He would always look me in the eye and swear this time he would try to be intimate with me, he would initiate and everything. We might have sex once, but that was it. What really killed our marriage was not TGT it was he lied to my face over and over and over and did not give a damn about how much it hurt me, as long as I stayed.
I did screw up in that I brought up TGT too much, he eventually shut me out completely. He gaslighted me on every single thing he had said or would say it was a joke. Now he says that was the reason he wouldn't have sex with me is because i called him gay. Except that doesn't cover the years before I called him that.
What finally brought everything to a head was his work "bff" who he and I both suspected to be gay. I wasn't comfortable with how close they were but he still chatted with him on the phone, deleted his messages. I did find one msg that really did it, he left his FB open, there it was just one msg with no response. It was my GIDH asking him if it burned when he peed. Hmmm my husband just asked me if prostate issues could cause burning while peeing just yesterday. I flipped out, of course that was not the right course of action because it backfired. He told me it was a joke(I knew that us what he would say) and he got his sister in on it trying to talk sense into me.
The next day we have a talk and I promised myself not to bring up TGT and just talk about problems in our marriage, it was enough to make me realize I wanted out, now, even if I never got proof. So I told him this was it, I'm breaking the cycle. I'm not crying wolf, let's make a plan to seperate.
We are now seperated, he is playing the victim card very well. One minute he is very cooperative, the next he can't believe I'm tearing our family apart. Why don't I care? Why don't I wanna try? Because I already tried to fix us but you didn't show up, because he knew what the problem was and knew it couldn't be fixed, he just wanted to drag me along, forever.
Anyone got any tips on the beginning stages of separation? We have a toddler as well.

 

March 12, 2018 6:31 pm  #2


Re: GID Seperation

Seems like you have been handling it pretty well so far - "I already tried to fix us but you didn't show up".
I expect he will keep trying to lay on a guilt trip until he realizes you aren't buying it this time. As little contact as possible would probably help. Depending on the custody or visitation set-up, maybe have a go-between? Someone you trust to make sure he gets his time with the child but stays out of your presence? (I am making an assumption here that you have custody but he has visitation days and times.) Definitely don't let him think he can just show up anytime he wants, change the door locks if you have to.


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March 13, 2018 10:11 am  #3


Re: GID Seperation

I'm in agreement with Daryl.  He's playing the victim card because he thinks it'll work.  When it becomes obvious that it won't, he'll quit.  It's a waste of his time and energy to keep on that road if it goes nowhere.

My ex and I went round and round on the same exact merry-go-round as you and your husband were on; I'd tell him I wasn't happy, then eventually got to the point where I told him it wasn't enough for me, and that if things didn't improve, he was going to lose me.  That this wasn't enough for me. He'd promise to improve - he'd look through our "Joy of Sex" book (as if looking for ideas - what's the point when you won't TRY anything but missionary with your eyes closed???), and then..... NOTHING.  Maybe one session where he initiated.  And then nothing again. I never saw myself as a patient person until I looked at the fact that I played that waiting game for a freaking DECADE.  Nothing ever changed - no matter how old our children got, where we lived, what our financial situation, who worked where, etc.  And I realized that it didn't matter WHAT the base issue was any longer; I wasn't happy, and it wasn't going to change.  Period.  Then I did what you did and initiated a separation.  Only it took me TWO YEARS to get that separation to start because he didn't want to leave.

There was also a ton of guilt thrown my way in the beginning.  How we don't "believe" in divorce, how I was tearing us all apart, etc.  I didn't respond to much of it - not the way he wanted me to, anyway.  He'd tell me I was tearing us all apart, and I'd tell him that HE did this - I warned him for 10 years what was up - it was HIS fault that he didn't take me seriously. Or that he didn't want to or couldn't fix it. Whatever the issue was, I was done.  He tried everything - telling me that he was going to take the kids from me (I panicked for all of 2 minutes before I said "Go ahead and try - you work evenings, weekends and holidays, and you have job issues.  Go ahead and try.") That was the end of that.  EVERYTHING he said was a bluff, designed to make me panick.  Only I'd already thought it all through and made up my mind.  He'd killed something off in me - I didn't have it in me to panick any more.

The less contact you have with him, the better.  See if his sister will help with shuttling your child back and forth.  Even if that can't happen, all you'd need to see him for is kid hand-off. If he tries to call you all weekend when he has your child, just make sure that you ONLY address issues that need addressing right here and now.  Like the child being sick and needing medication, or "he/she won't sleep without blankie, how would you like to handle?"  Do NOT address issues such as "he/she looks so sad - how can you do this to him/her?"  You do NOT need a blow-by-blow of the morning, the day, or even the weekend.  You communicate on the child on things that the other NEEDS to know. Acting out, accidents, illness, etc.

For what it's worth, toddlers are the best age for separating.  They have no idea that they're missing out on you all being together.  They're just about getting their own needs met.  One parent at a time can easily do that.  Go no contact otherwise, and don't feel the need to answer any phone calls - let them go to voicemail and answer him via text if it helps.  The more separation from him, the better.

You made the right call.

Kel
 

Last edited by Kel (March 13, 2018 10:14 am)


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March 13, 2018 5:09 pm  #4


Re: GID Seperation

Thank yall for your reply. I had thought I was handling this well too, until last night when I dropped our little girl off for the first time. We have 50/50 custody. I of course cried all night, I felt like the biggest POS. We now live about an hour apart so I won't be seeing him much thankfully.
My GIDH and his sister's father committed suicide and they started making comments about me putting him in the same situation. That really shown me how shitty he is for threatening that, at the same time I know that is not an idle threat so it makes it that much harder. I have cut contact with his sister, she is very manipulative.
It's only a matter of time til my family is asking questions (small town) I honestly have no idea what I'm gonna tell them. I can't say he's gay because I don't have any proof besides my list of reasons lol. It's only been a little over 5 years that we've been together so it seems like I'm just throwing in the towel to early.
It's amazing how much he doesn't actually care about being done with me as much as what am I gonna tell everyone and what everyone will think. That post you had put a while back Kel hit the nail on the head. He just wants someone to go shopping with on the weekends and to look like the perfect family. He does not give a damn about me. He can put on an act all he wants and I'll look like the bad guy I guess but I know he's full of it. He still wants control too, I opened a new checking acct and he said he needed a little for Bills then turned around and asked me to take all of it out, ya know, just in case. I told him I took it all out but didn't. That's going toward my lawyer fund.
I wonder how long it will take for him to come out, or if he will take it to the grave.

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March 15, 2018 7:16 am  #5


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Hi Marie 

The common threads here are such a wake up call for all of us. I am six months separated and preceding with divorce and it is a struggle every day to know that 12 years meant nothing and I too was exactly what you describe - just an arm piece and a smoke screen to the rest of the world. A dutiful, doting wife throwing dinner parties, working hard and had my whole life revolve around him. I meant nothing at all to him. When he got caught and the time came to do the right thing he has not shown an ounce of decency. He is also playing the victim to all around him. Some see through it and others do not. It is amazing how to him the facts are irrelevant. His anger is all about "how dare I expose him to the public" - not a single thought is spared for what I have been put through. 

I too wonder if he will ever be full out of the closet. I suspect he will find another unsuspecting woman like me and use her too. He will of course never stop sleeping with men. The only consolation in all of this is that I no longer have to wonder what I have done wrong, if I looked more attractive, if I was funnier, wittier, richer......... for all those years the problems in our marriage were laid squarely at my feet. I now know why ............ Aside from the betrayal, its the rage that I find all consuming. He seems so content and even says he is "emancipated" although still claims he is heterosexual??? This is where I find this site so useful and supportive. 
Sean's posts have really resonated with me and shed more light on my situation than all the psychologists and sexologists I have seen so far. 
 

 

March 15, 2018 10:38 am  #6


Re: GID Seperation

Ten years ago, when my sister was pregnant with her first child (and my ex and I had 3 kids), we found out that she and her then husband had made a will, and that it specified that if anything happened to both she and her husband, their child was to go to a couple they were friends with.  I.Was.LIVID. There were three siblings she could have chosen between on our side, both sets of parents were still alive, and my brother-in-law also had a sister whom he could have chosen.  We sat down with my sister to talk over their decision, and to put into words our concern, fears and offended hearts. And you know what? She didn't give us an explanation. There had to be one - plenty, actually.  Each person in our family would need to be ruled out - namely my husband and I with three kids.  And she didn't do that.  Instead, she said, "I know you're not happy with this, and I can't say that I blame you.  But this isn't personal - we chose who we thought was best equipped to do the job if necessary.  There is no way for us to describe this to you in a way that you will agree with or won't be hurt by. So we are not going to attempt to do that. Instead, we will say that we have every confidence that we're doing the best thing for us and our needs, and that it's our right to do so.  I'm sorry if you're hurt - that is definitely not our intention."  PERIOD.

She conveyed several things to us in that little speech:
1. This is not up for debate
2) You can feel about it however you want to feel - it's not going to change anything
3) I get why you're feeling the way you do
4) It's our life - we don't owe you an explanation that you'll understand or agree with
5) This is completely our right to do
6) We're sorry that you're feeling upset, because that's not our intention.

WHAT can a person say after that? NOTHING. You have just been told that you can carry on and cry and shout and any other thing you thought maybe would work, but it WON'T work. Took the wind right out of our sails.  When people are voicing their opinions on what you should or shouldn't do, it's because they think that you're still open to suggestion, and that they can potentially change your mind. Once it becomes clear that that's not what they're dealing with, they have two options: accept it, or reject it. That's why people so often say that after a tragedy, they see who their real friends are - they are the ones who say, "This is your life, and I love you, and I'm here for you." You can handle the people who are like, "Well, this situation sucks, but it's not MY situation, and whatever you want to do is fine."  What you can't accept is a person who constantly judges you for your decision - who is telling you how you can undo that decision, how that decision is wrong, etc.  Those are the people you cut out or limit input from. Because what would be the point - to torture yourself and them?

You do not owe people outside of the relationship an explanation of why you've decided to make a major life change. Let that ruminate for a bit.  You need to tell your children that the relationship is ending, because it's also part of their lives. But you don't need to say "I found him with porn" or "he doesn't give me the physical intimacy I need."  You can say, "We are unable to give the other person what they need. It's just not working, and I'm tired of banging my head against the wall. This is not a snap decision - I've tried long and hard to make this work. At this point, I've come to the realization that it cannot."  Now..... if it's your parents or  siblings that you're telling, they will press for more info.  And you know what? YOU DON'T OWE THEM THAT.  You can give it to them if you want, but that's your choice.  Instead, you can say, "I don't want to get into it all because it's private and between my husband and I. I don't need people outside of the marriage to have details only reserved for the people inside the marriage. So I'm going to keep that information to myself.  Suffice it to say that the decision has been made.  I'm not HAPPY about the decision, but I feel it's necessary for our future happiness."  THE.END.

You are an adult - one who isn't 19 years old and just trying out a relationship. This is your life, you are a grown-ass adult, and you have every right to make a decision about your own relationships and commitments. You do not need their buy-in to make said decisions. And thank GOD.

You are as free as you decide and proclaim yourself to be in this situation. Truly.

Kel

Last edited by Kel (March 15, 2018 10:43 am)


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